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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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HorseLoverGirl said:
They made it more than clear that when they acceded to the union they had the right to secede from the union. Had they not made that right clear, they would likely have formed their own country sooner.
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Show (link) us the documents where they claimed that right.
 
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Bingoooooo!

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Re: Confederate Flag

HorseLoverGirl said:
You would be surprised just how much of it has been twisted. Especially that Hollywood twister Gettysburg. I watched it with my granddaddy and he pointed out everything wrong in the movie compared to how it actually was. It was a lot. Then again Hollywood shines their own light on true stories to attract people to the theaters.
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Gee, Hollywood took artistic license. Shocking. That's also not a history book, Horsie.

Unless you're about 100 years old, your grandfather wasn't around back then. The fact that you think his words trump a century and a half of historical evidence and analysis is utterly laughable.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Its called Congress. The north had the votes, the South couldn't override them.
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Then how did the South get congress to pass the Fugitive Slave Act if they didn't have the votes?
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Figures the yankees rewrote the history books. They proved that old saying "to the victors go the spoils" to be 100% truth. Of course you realize that Mississippi was the last state to ratify the 13th amendment right?
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Yes, in 2013. Oh, the MS Congress voted to ratify it in 1995 (130 years AFTER the Civil War ended), but it was never made official until two years ago. They claimed it was because of an 'administrative oversight'...but that didn't fool anyone - we all knew the reason why...the same reason they didn't vote on it at all until 1995.

This is part of our Southern heritage - and it's not something to be proud of.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Secession = revolution. There, fixed it for ya.
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secession = revolution = treason (Art III, sec. 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them,.....

When rebels opened fire on Ft. Sumter on April 12, 1861 the act of treason against the United States was committed.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Secession = revolution. There, fixed it for ya.
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Seccession = rebellion. There, fixed it for you. In case you didn't notice, I'm a stickler for historical accuracy. :)
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Figures the yankees rewrote the history books. They proved that old saying "to the victors go the spoils" to be 100% truth. Of course you realize that Mississippi was the last state to ratify the 13th amendment right?
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Read reply #1422 - the 'Cornerstone' speech by the vice president of the Confederacy. Read it, then get back to me on precisely why we in the South were NEVER shown that speech in our history classes.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Far from it. Absolutely far from wrong. I know truth is hard to learn since the books skew the truth to make the yanks look good though.
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You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face. You're so soaked in the lies and bigotry of your beloved grandaddy that you're incapable of even learning a fact that would violate the mythology you allowed him to create in your head. The more I read from you the more I see scenes from what the KKK version of "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" would have been like. Was grandaddy a member or was he one of the "aristocratic southern gentlemen" who supported it at arm's length and relied on the lower elements of the south to carry out the dirty work?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Read reply #1422 - the 'Cornerstone' speech by the vice president of the Confederacy. Read it, then get back to me on precisely why we in the South were NEVER shown that speech in our history classes.
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You're talking to a young woman who will not even concede the word Slavery is in the Confederate Constitution.

When I debated her years ago (on another board) - she would say over and over how there were actually more slaves in the North than the South. She really didn't know. To this day, I think she doesn't even believe the census numbers after having had it thrown in her face 4,000 times.

There's some severe level of brainwashing that went on there to whitewash grandpapee's Confederacy.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Same ridiculousness could apply to the founders of this nation. Oh wait, England grew up and got over the fact that we broke away.
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But the south never grew up and got over the fact that it lost and did not break away and wouldn't have slavery any more. So much so that they instituted a brutal state-sanctioned system which continued the bondage and degradation of southern blacks for generations longer--a de facto form of slavery and oppression.
 
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Paperview said:
You're talking to a young woman who will not even concede the word Slavery is in the Confederate Constitution.

When I debated her years ago (on another board) - she would say over and over how there were actually more slaves in the North than the South. She really didn't know. To this day, I think she doesn't even believe the census numbers after having had it thrown in her face 4,000 times.

There's some severe level of brainwashing that went on there to whitewash grandpapee's Confederacy.
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Ah. I understand. I've known many, many people like that over the years, many of whom were in my own family.
 
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Superfly said:
:lol: Well, to be fair, granddaddy got his information second-hand.
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You mean from one of the original liars about "southern heritage" and "states rights" garbage?
 
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Kobie said:
Gee, Hollywood took artistic license. Shocking. That's also not a history book, Horsie.

Unless you're about 100 years old, your grandfather wasn't around back then. The fact that you think his words trump a century and a half of historical evidence and analysis is utterly laughable.
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My granddaddy was born in 1911. He was a student at Benedictine College (and leader of Company B) in the 1920's. If the phrase had been around back then he would have been called the big man on campus. Benedictine, being a military school, has a proud tradition. Well when granddaddy was leader of Company B, he drilled them up and down the Boulevard in Richmond. Paid off too, because they won the drill competition at the school. Anyway the Old Soldier's Home is along the route where granddaddy drilled his company every day. The cadets would spend time with the old soldiers who lived there and learned more than they could ever learn from a book.
 
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digitusmedius said:
But the south never grew up and got over the fact that it lost and did not break away and wouldn't have slavery any more. So much so that they instituted a brutal state-sanctioned system which continued the bondage and degradation of southern blacks for generations longer--a de facto form of slavery and oppression.
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The yankees really didn't care if we left or not until they realized that OH ****! We're screwed! The South would be able to expand westward, control the Mississippi delta, and frankly make the yanks' life a living hell.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
I think you meant that YOU and truth are complete strangers. That is obvious. The truth and I are good friends.
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My family was all racist. I was, too - it took a career in service to my country to unlearn what they had taught me. Speaking of truth, then, do you believe that the vice president of the Confederacy was right when he said these words:

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

But you won't reply, or if you do, it won't be seriously or thoughtfully. People like you almost never have the intestinal fortitude to do so.
 
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digitusmedius said:
You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face. You're so soaked in the lies and bigotry of your beloved grandaddy that you're incapable of even learning a fact that would violate the mythology you allowed him to create in your head. The more I read from you the more I see scenes from what the KKK version of "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" would have been like. Was grandaddy a member or was he one of the "aristocratic southern gentlemen" who supported it at arm's length and relied on the lower elements of the south to carry out the dirty work?
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I am not even sure if my ancestors even owned slaves to begin with. But my granddaddy you can rest assured did not make everyone else do the grunt work. He worked hard for Seaboard Railroad, and never backed down from a job. Later he ran the Carib Theater in Miami Beach and had stars from all of the major pictures of the 50's and 60's. He had 4 HUGE photo albums of him with various movie stars. My uncle has them now. But you're right, anyone who believes mere stereotypes of the South wouldn't know truth if it knocked them out cold. You personify that.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
The yankees really didn't care if we left or not until they realized that OH ****! We're screwed! The South would be able to expand westward, control the Mississippi delta, and frankly make the yanks' life a living hell.
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Um, last I recall, it was the South that first attacked the North.

Oh, wait, I forgot - to you, everything that doesn't fit in with your fantasy that it really was the War of Northern Aggression must not be true.
 
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