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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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Thorgasm said:
While the north and south were both racist, I wouldn't say it was equal.
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What about today? Would you say the racism market is cornered in one region vs the other?
 
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Atiya said:
Many white southerners realize the Confederate Flag is a symbol of racial hatred for African Americans and are unwilling to adjust their attitude. They like things to stay the same. Unfortunately, the world is changing all around us, so quickly, that same sex marriages are becoming routine. It's about time we did the same thing with racism in the southern states which fly the Confederate Flag by digging our way out of a morass of lies and ignorance.
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Maybe we can bring the kind of peace and harmony to the south they enjoy in Baltimore, Chicago, Cincinnati, and other major cities.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Apparently, it's the other way around these days. All the minority political lobby's got to do is stomp their little feet, and we're expected to bend over backwards to appease their easily bruised egos, regardless of what we happen to think on the matter. :roll:
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What?? Oh man. You poor thing!! It's so tough to be a bigot these days where those pesky minorities are always pointing out how baselessly inhumane it is!!
 
Re: Confederate Flag

VanceMack said:
Slavery was practiced throughout history, around the globe, and in virtually every race. Times changed. People changed. The South also would have changed. The north practiced slavery. They stopped primarily because it was no longer economically viable. Just because the north didnt want the south to have slaves didnt mean the north wanted freed slaves there.

point? Everyones history has a bit of stink on it. Relax.
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Is this supposed to somehow automagically justify the use of the confederate flag?

And the north didn't abolish slavery because it wasn't economically viable. That's pure ignorance. They abolished slavery because (1) everyone knew free labor is exploitative (2) they were not economically dependent on it (it was 'easy' for them to change).
 
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Absentglare said:
Is this supposed to somehow automagically justify the use of the confederate flag?

And the north didn't abolish slavery because it wasn't economically viable. That's pure ignorance. They abolished slavery because (1) everyone knew free labor is exploitative (2) they were not economically dependent on it (it was 'easy' for them to change).
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Silly person. What makes you think ANYONE has to justify ANYTHING to you?

1-You DO realize your second comment reinforced my comment...correct?
2-I personally dont care if the good people of South Carolina choose to keep the flag or lower it. I grew up in the south. I grew up in the ugly south. That flag never represented slavery or racism to me. As to what it represents to you...I couldnt much give a ****.
3-NO ONE should lower the flag because a bunch of cause driven ****heads in DC seized upon a tragedy to create a cause which they can exploit. This whole furor and uproar about the Confederate flag is pure horse****. The people of Charleston SC gave this country a BEAUTIFUL gift...and race baiting ****heads took a nice healthy dump on it. Rather than model the incredible grace and love of families and a community in mourning they couldnt wait to dance in the blood and stir up racial tensions. Now...ignorant ****s demand TV shows like the Dukes of Hazard get pulled from the TV (as if the show matters) and ignore the true diseases plaguing black Americans in every major city across this country. You worry about a flag ad cant seem to find your vocal chords when 83 people get shot over a 3 day weekend in Baltimore.

Your cause doesnt impress me. It DOES sicken me.
 
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VanceMack said:
Silly person. What makes you think ANYONE has to justify ANYTHING to you?

1-You DO realize your second comment reinforced my comment...correct?
2-I personally dont care if the good people of South Carolina choose to keep the flag or lower it. I grew up in the south. I grew up in the ugly south. That flag never represented slavery or racism to me. As to what it represents to you...I couldnt much give a ****.
3-NO ONE should lower the flag because a bunch of cause driven ****heads in DC seized upon a tragedy to create a cause which they can exploit. This whole furor and uproar about the Confederate flag is pure horse****. The people of Charleston SC gave this country a BEAUTIFUL gift...and race baiting ****heads took a nice healthy dump on it. Rather than model the incredible grace and love of families and a community in mourning they couldnt wait to dance in the blood and stir up racial tensions. Now...ignorant ****s demand TV shows like the Dukes of Hazard get pulled from the TV (as if the show matters) and ignore the true diseases plaguing black Americans in every major city across this country. You worry about a flag ad cant seem to find your vocal chords when 83 people get shot over a 3 day weekend in Baltimore.

Your cause doesnt impress me. It DOES sicken me.
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1- no it didn't. They abolished slavery because it was wrong. It was also easier for them, but that's only part of the picture.

2- this particular brand of ignorant, inconsiderate arrogance is disturbing.

3- i'm sorry, did Charleston suddenly turn into a ****hole when the flag went down? I mean, grow up, it's just a flag. You should be willing to leave it behind. It is a justifiably intimidating symbol to african americans. Proudly adorning the swastika on government buildings in Germany would be appalling for the same reason.

Oh no!! Not dukes of hazard!! That show was only 98% terrible!!

And people do also care about other issues facing black americans. Being intimidated by a flag raised on a public building is no longer one of them.
 
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Moot said:
No, but your avatar sure does.
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No, not that either. lol

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Re: Confederate Flag

VanceMack said:
Slavery was practiced throughout history, around the globe, and in virtually every race. Times changed. People changed. The South also would have changed. The north practiced slavery. They stopped primarily because it was no longer economically viable. Just because the north didnt want the south to have slaves didnt mean the north wanted freed slaves there.

point? Everyones history has a bit of stink on it. Relax.
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Relax lol. I never even implied much less said that anyones history was perfect.

But as history shows the South went to war to keep slavery. Each State that tried to secede made it clear what their reasoning was in trying to secede. They wrote it down in the secession declarations and proclamations. The fact that US were making their own mistakes pertaining to slavery doesnt make it ok. Just like the fact that two wrongs dont make a right. You seem to be saying that because slavery was used in all parts of the world at different times in history that we should cut the long dead Confederates some slack. Well I am not going to cut them some slack nor am I going to cut neo-confederates any slack.

The Confederates lost the Civil War end of story. But the USA being what it is protects the right of individuals to fly even a flag that represents slavery. There is no right to fly a Confederate flag on government property be it federal, State or local. If the business world wants to stop selling/using confederate flags that is their liberty.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Relax lol. I never even implied much less said that anyones history was perfect.

But as history shows the South went to war to keep slavery. Each State that tried to secede made it clear what their reasoning was in trying to secede. They wrote it down in the secession declarations and proclamations. The fact that US were making their own mistakes pertaining to slavery doesnt make it ok. Just like the fact that two wrongs dont make a right. You seem to be saying that because slavery was used in all parts of the world at different times in history that we should cut the long dead Confederates some slack. Well I am not going to cut them some slack nor am I going to cut neo-confederates any slack.

The Confederates lost the Civil War end of story. But the USA being what it is protects the right of individuals to fly even a flag that represents slavery. There is no right to fly a Confederate flag on government property be it federal, State or local. If the business world wants to stop selling/using confederate flags that is their liberty.
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You keep going back to that illogical leap that says since there are overall 'other' considerations, it must therefore mean it is OK or that people are 'defending' slavery.
The flag does not represent 'slavery'. You can make it MEAN slavery if you like, but that is not what it means to the vast majority of people that grew up with it as parts of our lives. IF the people of any state wish to choose to stop flying the flag at their state buildings then that should be the choice they make and they should do it for the right reasons and NOT because a bunch of race bating morons from DC have created this 'cause' to stir **** up with. WHen you look across the country at the problems black America faces and you come to the conclusion that what you REALLY need to get spun up over is a flag and a TV show...that speaks volumes about you.
 
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Absentglare said:
1- no it didn't. They abolished slavery because it was wrong. It was also easier for them, but that's only part of the picture.

2- this particular brand of ignorant, inconsiderate arrogance is disturbing.

3- i'm sorry, did Charleston suddenly turn into a ****hole when the flag went down? I mean, grow up, it's just a flag. You should be willing to leave it behind. It is a justifiably intimidating symbol to african americans. Proudly adorning the swastika on government buildings in Germany would be appalling for the same reason.

Oh no!! Not dukes of hazard!! That show was only 98% terrible!!

And people do also care about other issues facing black americans. Being intimidated by a flag raised on a public building is no longer one of them.
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1-yes...it did. I said they stood against slavery because to the northern states slavery was no longer economically viable. You said "nu uh...it was EASY for the to change because they were no longer economically dependent. :lamo
2-You folk use a lot of words that are 'disturbing'. For example...its 'disturbing to me that people like are tripping over yourself rushing to attack the flag, yet every post you have made since coming here is essentially a 1 line democrat talking points memo and you have not ONCE commented on the plight of Black America or what should be done in the black communities, bu black community leaders or too the perpetrators of crimes.
3-Im sorry...did you just say its 'just a flag'? :lamo
Doesnt matter if it was 100% terrible...the fact is people vented their little spleens on such a show, yet meanwhile they ignore Red Eye Chicago.
And sorry...but no...you dont care about other issues facing black Americans. Black lives dont matter to you. Just the ones you can exploit. That is made evident by what you choose to post on and speak on.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

digitusmedius said:
There are two different statements at play here. First was your unsupported claim that mere possession of the flag was what led to the beat down.
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I never actually claimed that, I simply posed a question you for some odd reason won't answer. So I must assume in your need to be and to force others to be politically correct, the answer is "yes".

My sarcastic question response to that was the one which mentioned the word "hugs" but never claimed you used that word. Now you're trying to weasel out trying to portray this as an unprovoked attack by making yet another false claim that I indicated you, or someone, said "hugs." This is not my first rodeo with feckless rightwingers. And you're not the first of the last that has tried and failed to slither way from his/her baseless claims.
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U mad, bro?


I asked you a question, and now all you have is insults.... it's not polite to insult your betters. ;)


Now, will you be answering the question, I am assuming it's "yes" but you would expect others to hand out the beat downs, MIRITE?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

VanceMack said:
What about today? Would you say the racism market is cornered in one region vs the other?
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I wouldn't say it is cornered by a region. I would give rural America the edge though. That includes north and south.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Now, will you be answering the question, I am assuming it's "yes" but you would expect others to hand out the beat downs, MIRITE?
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Right after you tell us how you know what happened before the video rolled. As you were the one who opened this area of discussion.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Thorgasm said:
I wouldn't say it is cornered by a region. I would give rural America the edge though. That includes north and south.
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I would have said Urban areas across the country are a bit more racist...especially with some of the conflict between black and brown...but I agree its a universal construct. Which is why, to me, this emphasis on the Confederate flag is such a ridiculous side-show.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

digitusmedius said:
Doctorate
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lol, You should request a refund, Doctor.



digitusmedius said:
Right after you tell us how you know what happened before the video rolled. As you were the one who opened this area of discussion.
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You've already answered, doctor, by refusing to answer, you believe yes, politically incorrect speech should be met with violence. You don't get to dictate when you refuse to do any heavy lifting yourself. Sorry charly.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Gathomas88 said:
Apparently, it's the other way around these days. All the minority political lobby's got to do is stomp their little feet, and we're expected to bend over backwards to appease their easily bruised egos, regardless of what we happen to think on the matter. :roll:
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Don't you mean Hobby Lobby?
 
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My favorite defense of those supporting the 'heritage' argument is that they consider it a symbol of never surrendering, 150 years after they surrendered.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

VanceMack said:
Slavery was practiced throughout history, around the globe, and in virtually every race. Times changed. People changed. The South also would have changed. The north practiced slavery. They stopped primarily because it was no longer economically viable. Just because the north didnt want the south to have slaves didnt mean the north wanted freed slaves there.

point? Everyones history has a bit of stink on it. Relax.
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78% of all slaves in America were in the South. The north doesn't even begin to compare to the stench of slavery in the south. In the mid 1800s, the north was starting to industrialize and whites didn't want to compete with blacks for their jobs and that's why slavery never really took hold.

If you continue to read about the war only through southern eyes its a guarantee that you'll almost always be wrong.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Ello, Mate...from Byron Bay, Australia.

Bod, you're right. The American Flag flew for a long time when slavery was not only legal, but was the reason so many people like Washington and Jefferson were able to grow their wealth as they did. Washington was worth $500 Million (in today's money) and Jefferson somewhere about $200 Million. Jefferson not only used slaves for labor, but bred and sold slaves.

Until the Civil Right Act 1964 - blacks were still almost slaves. They were free - but with very limited means.
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G'Day,mate. There are many flags that flew representing countries whose record on equality left much to be desired. The fundamental difference between those countries and the Confederate States of America, is that they did not make the slavery of another race a fundamental clause in their instrument of government, while the Confederacy made it integral to their Constituion.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
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The fundamental difference is that the Confederacy made the enslavement of another race an integral part of their Constitution. It stands to reason that the Confederate flag is as much a symbol of racism & the enslavement of an "inferior" race as the flag of Nazi Germany.
 
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