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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
Re: Confederate Flag

Superfly said:
I voted wrong. I don't want it abolished. I want it flown appropriately.
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Like I said earlier on it should always be possible, even encouraged, for individuals to display this flag on their private property. I, for on, want to know who the racist morons are and where they live.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Like I said earlier on it should always be possible, even encouraged, for individuals to display this flag on their private property. I, for on, want to know who the racist morons are and where they live.
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Yeah it's usually not that hard to sniff 'em out. :lol:

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Re: Confederate Flag

digitusmedius said:
Hmm, white supremacist waves the symbol of 300 years of humiliation slavery, murder, lynchings, rape and hate in the faces of the descendants of those victims and expects hugs?
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Who said "hugs"? Is the mere presence of the Northern Virginia battle flag all the justification needed for acts of violence being done to the person who dare possess it?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

digitusmedius said:
Like I said earlier on it should always be possible, even encouraged, for individuals to display this flag on their private property. I, for on, want to know who the racist morons are and where they live.
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Unless its a bakery, then you want to hide thier bigotry so you can get a gay wedding cake. ;)
 
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Why is this even still a topic? I wonder what other news stories are not being reported right now?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

ReverendHellh0und said:
Unless its a bakery, then you want to hide thier bigotry so you can get a gay wedding cake. ;)
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Actually, I'd prefer they tell the world if they are planning on using that to try to deny anyone their product, so that everyone can make an informed decision on whether to buy from that bakery. I could care less if they hold those beliefs but still serve everyone without regard to things that are about a group the person/people belong to.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

VanceMack said:
"The US" with very few exceptions engaged in slavery from the beginning. Northern states only relinquished slavery when it was no longer economically viable and they damn sure didnt want freed slaves in the north. No one is defending slavery...but dont be so foolish as to pretend the world was pure except for the south. All that 'should have' bull**** comes from historical hindsight. Had you been in the middle of it odds are your opinions would be rather different.
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Apparently you missed where I said: "But thats not how history happened" That was me saying that hindsight is 20/20 and what should have happened didnt. But it worked out anyways.

FFS I never said the North was perfect. Hell I wasnt even talking to you, I was talking to a poster that is promoting revisionist history. She was trying to say that slaves were rarely treated bad. I dont know about you but when someone starts saying that slave owners treated their slaves good I think of that AS DEFENDING SLAVERY.

But dont pretend that there were not people that were against enslaving black people at that time. Or that it would be impossible for people living then to see slavery for what it was, ****ed up.
 
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Let's face it folks, whatever historical meaning this flag has, it has been adopted by a certain class that leans towards intolerance and racist views. The swastika also had historical meaning, and indeed one that should not be forgotten, but it is banned in Europe, for the same reasons the Confederate flag should be banned in the US, or at least relegated to museums that will explain its historical meaning. Raising it over public buildings sends a regressive and dysfunctional signal to society.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

HorseLoverGirl said:
TRUTH is NOT "nonsense" thank you very much. Its just not what the revisionists want you to think actually happened so they can further demonize the South.
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Look, it's pointless for you to keep trying to sell your myths, invented history and fake facts and to me (or anyone else who's actually learned the real story of slavery, lynchings, church burnings, rape, murder, repression, segregation and all the other outrages that white supremacists of your granddaddy's era practiced and got away with so long). This country is waking up again to just how much of that "heritage" still exists in this country (of course, the evil heart of it is still and always will be the south).
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Unless its a bakery, then you want to hide thier bigotry so you can get a gay wedding cake. ;)
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You might want to learn the difference between something done on private property and a business run for the public before you put your next smiley face up.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

ReverendHellh0und said:
Who said "hugs"? Is the mere presence of the Northern Virginia battle flag all the justification needed for acts of violence being done to the person who dare possess it?
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So you're pretending you know everything that happened before that video was taken?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Ray410 said:
Probably time to note the bottom line on the poll that started this thread. Looks like a landslide win for the pro-Confederate Flag voters.
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Oh, yeah, and this "poll" (it isn't really one) counts for how much exactly? You must be desperate for a win. As a matter of fact, I voted no and explained why in my very first comment.

My guess is that not a single one of those voters is in favor of slavery; They just respect preservation of American history and like so many other Americans, are sick of the revisionists and sick of the endless Liberal hate and whining over all things American.
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See above re: my vote and it had nothing to do with preserving anything. It was much more to do with identifying white supremacist assholes. But you're right about revisionists -- we are getting sick of you...in fact have been so for a long time.

[QUOTE}Also important to keep in mind that America was a very minor participant in the worldwide solve trade with only 5% of the twelve million slaves that were brought to the new world coming to the United States. Only 5%.[/QUOTE]
So how many were born into slavery in this land between 1660 and 1860 do you reckon? Oh, wait, that wouldn't matter to a revisionist's view of slavery would it.

Goddam but these people make this country sick.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

FreedomFromAll said:
Apparently you missed where I said: "But thats not how history happened" That was me saying that hindsight is 20/20 and what should have happened didnt. But it worked out anyways.

FFS I never said the North was perfect. Hell I wasnt even talking to you, I was talking to a poster that is promoting revisionist history. She was trying to say that slaves were rarely treated bad. I dont know about you but when someone starts saying that slave owners treated their slaves good I think of that AS DEFENDING SLAVERY.

But dont pretend that there were not people that were against enslaving black people at that time. Or that it would be impossible for people living then to see slavery for what it was, ****ed up.
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There were people then that saw it as ****ed up. They were changing it the world over, including people in the south. And there are people enslaving blacks...even today. They are in the same part of the world today that was doing it 'then'.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Phys251 said:
Remember, Detroit's economy got shellacked when all the carmaking jobs got shipped away. You would think that, in the wake of this collapse, we would have treated the heart and soul of an existentially American industry better, although you and I most likely have differing views over what that would mean and what we should have done with Detroit. But this notion, this silly notion, that it was "high taxes and liberalism" that hurt Detroit is just capitalist tripe, pure and simple.
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Yes, Detroit got shellacked with the decline of the domestic auto industry, but the city's financial problems and decline didn't happen overnight. One successive Democratic administration after another, between corruption trials, mismanaged it and overspent on things like public pensions

Phys251 said:
Then why do librul Massachusetts and Minnesota have some of the highest standards of living and life expectancies in America?
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Massachusetts benefits from having some major private research universities like MIT, Harvard, Tufts, etc. I don't think you can overestimate the impact these universities make to the state in attracting industry, highly-educated academics, researchers, and entrepreneurs. These people also tend to take care of themselves and have access to high-quality medical care.

Phys251 said:
But the even bigger issue is that the South has a culture of ignorance which, except for some of its larger metro areas, greatly impedes its progress. It is not an exaggeration by any stretch to say that much of Mississippi literally is worse off than many Third-World nations.
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People who've never visited or lived here don't seem to understand that it's really two states. Much of the extreme poverty is concentrated among blacks in the Delta, where people have been dependent for decades on federal handouts for their existence. But I think we have a problem nationwide with an increasing culture of dependency. I mean, we now have 20% of the country--70 millions people--on Medicaid and CHIP (Medicaid Enrollment Surges Across the U.S. - US News). If Medicaid were a country it would be the 20th most populous country on the planet. This is unsustainable.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?
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I have a conspiracy theory that the movement to abolish the The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is backed by non other than southern GOP entities who are using The Streisand Effect to acquire more publicity than one could buy.
 
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VanceMack said:
There were people then that saw it as ****ed up. They were changing it the world over, including people in the south. And there are people enslaving blacks...even today. They are in the same part of the world today that was doing it 'then'.
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Ok then we are in agreement. Though I will point out if you are trying to say that since Africans enslaved Africans then there was nothing wrong American slavery. I would have to say that is bull**** reasoning. That is IF you are saying that.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Ok then we are in agreement. Though I will point out if you are trying to say that since Africans enslaved Africans then there was nothing wrong American slavery. I would have to say that is bull**** reasoning. That is IF you are saying that.
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Theres never 'nothing wrong' with slavery. However there IS a historical reality and that reality is that virtually every nation on the globe at some time held slaves. Even the native North American tribes long before European influences.
 
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VanceMack said:
Theres never 'nothing wrong' with slavery. However there IS a historical reality and that reality is that virtually every nation on the globe at some time held slaves. Even the native North American tribes long before European influences.
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Yes, many nations held slaves at one point in their history, not all of them did. Where did you get this information? Was it from one of those facebook meme's?

Let me cut to the chase for you. I am not a liberal nor am I making the argument that you seem to be wanting to argue against.

The reality is that the USA abolished slavery not the Confederates at any point in their short pathetic history. In fact the Confederates were willing to fight to keep slavery intake. Yes the USA has made some big mistakes but we are here now and the Confederates are not. There is no real reason to celebrate a bunch of assholes that wanted to take over portions of the USA to create a version of the US that aimed to keep slavery alive and to regress back to a failed model of government not much unlike the Articles of Confederation. Even if those assholes were my ancestors. Which they were.


The confederate flag (all of them national or battle) can be flown on private property by any citizen for whatever reason that they want to fly it. Im good with that. But flying the flag on government property is an entire different ball game. The government has no right to fly whatever flag it wants to fly. We have a flag code.

USFlag.org: A website dedicated to the Flag of the United States of America - United States Code
 
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Re: Confederate Flag

roguenuke said:
Actually, I'd prefer they tell the world if they are planning on using that to try to deny anyone their product, so that everyone can make an informed decision on whether to buy from that bakery. I could care less if they hold those beliefs but still serve everyone without regard to things that are about a group the person/people belong to.
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NOt sure I follow you, I think bigots should be allowed to not sell gay wedding cakes so non-bigots like us know not to enchance those bigots quality of life with our money,
 
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