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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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Sherman123 said:
Oh my god the James Kennedy book? This is all starting to make a lot more sense.
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It confirms a lot of things I learned from my granddaddy, who if he were alive today would be leading a major league protest against the backlash that has resulted from one nutcase.
 
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Sherman123 said:
No, they wouldn't have laughed at me. It was widely understood that slavery was the underlying theme which tied the entirety of the animus between North and South together. Furthermore you are right it was about economics, the economics of slavery. It was about taxes and tariffs, taxes and tariffs which impacted the finances of a slave based agricultural export economy. It was about states rights, a states right to protect the institution of slavery. Absent slavery there would have been no conflict.
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It's a nice hypothetical opinion to say if there were no slavery there would have not been a conflict and you may be right, but if they were indentured Irish instead of African slaves, the conflict may still have occurred.
 
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I heard on the radio on my drive home yesterday that the gift store at the
Antietam national battlefield, will stop selling confederate flag merchandise.
I was thinking what the logical conclusion of all this would be?
If we just deny all of the parts of our history that upsets people, we can all be happy!
On the other hand if we do not teach history as it is, warts and all, we are likely to repeat
some of the ugly stuff.
 
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I guess we're to understand your concept of "competence" was reached during the Bush/Cheney Catastrophe.
 
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longview said:
I heard on the radio on my drive home yesterday that the gift store at the
Antietam national battlefield, will stop selling confederate flag merchandise.
I was thinking what the logical conclusion of all this would be?
If we just deny all of the parts of our history that upsets people, we can all be happy!
On the other hand if we do not teach history as it is, warts and all, we are likely to repeat
some of the ugly stuff.
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What you are seeing is an attempt to cleanse America ... white guilt don't you know.
 
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I heard Stone Mountain Georgia stopped selling Confederate items too, and some are calling for the removal of the flag. The flag was removed at Fort Sumter also, from what I heard this morning. How sad that history is being eliminated because one nutcase massacred 9 people for no good reason. The good news is the Sons of Confederate Veterans have stood up and said EXCUSE YOU???? to Virginia's idiot of a governor. Now the United Daughters of the Confederacy needs to back them up. Down here in North Carolina also, because our governor has his head up his ass too
 
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longview said:
If we just deny all of the parts of our history that upsets people, we can all be happy!
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That pretty much describes the entire flag proponents' position....denial of what all of the various representations of the flag. There are plenty of private establishments where images of the flag can be bought. No need to have the government at any level flying it or selling it or in any way be seen to promote it, even unintentionally.
 
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How sad that history is being eliminated because one nutcase massacred 9 people for no good reason.
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The "nutcase" was a white supremacist and the reason was racism. No way are we going to let rightwingers dismiss this like they did with the Jared Loughner murders. History is not being eliminated because a symbol of slavery and treason is not being flown on government grounds. Get all of them you want and put them anywhere on your private property you like. Just don't expect government to prop up the ideas of white supremacy any more than it should be propping up religious beliefs.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Yes they are if you do actual research. Then again I can see how the revisionists have taken things out of context completely
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Where do you propose we do our research so that we reach your apologetic revisionist history regarding the Confederacy? Links, please.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Yeah its hopeless to convince those of us who know the truth that the revisionist version is true
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Which of the hated "revisionists" wrote the various statements of secession for the southern states in which slavery over and over and over again played so prominently in their reasons?
 
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Ockham said:
What you are seeing is an attempt to cleanse America ... white guilt don't you know.
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I don't see any white "guilt" from the confed flag worshippers. I see white supremacists who'd like to push America back into the gutter of segregation.
 
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Amadeus said:
Where do you propose we do our research so that we reach your apologetic revisionist history regarding the Confederacy? Links, please.
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Start with reading The South was Right. A lot of things I have actually found out that have been left out of the history books you'll have to go to heaven to find out, since my granddaddy, who taught me more than I could ever learn in any book, has been gone from this earth for 9 1/2 years now. He got his information from the veterans who lived in the Old Soldier's Home in Richmond VA, while a student at Benedictine College (now Benedictine College Prepatory) in Richmond in the 1920's.
 
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digitusmedius said:
I don't see any white "guilt" from the confed flag worshippers.
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That's because the white guilt is coming from those seeking to ban the confederate flag and if possible, all things that may provide any honor or glory to members of the confederacy or the memory of the confederacy, as well as those wanting to white wash history to conform to their own ideology.


digitusmedius said:
I see white supremacists who'd like to push America back into the gutter of segregation.
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There definitely are white supremacists still around - just like there are black racists and all sorts of strange things. You see what you want to see because that's what Progressives do.
 
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haymarket said:
Which of the hated "revisionists" wrote the various statements of secession for the southern states in which slavery over and over and over again played so prominently in their reasons?
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What is it gonna take for you to learn that the war was not all about slavery until a couple of years in? It was ONE issue but sure as heck not the main one. What is it gonna take, the Congressional records from the 1850's?
 
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digitusmedius said:
The "nutcase" was a white supremacist and the reason was racism. No way are we going to let rightwingers dismiss this like they did with the Jared Loughner murders. History is not being eliminated because a symbol of slavery and treason is not being flown on government grounds. Get all of them you want and put them anywhere on your private property you like. Just don't expect government to prop up the ideas of white supremacy any more than it should be propping up religious beliefs.
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His mental issues do not need to be dismissed, they need to be brought out to focus on the pathetic mental health system in this nation.
 
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Later, when the yankees realized it was do or die time, because Europe was fixing to help the South, then they made it all about slavery.
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So, horsegirl, you're telling us that you think northerners wrote the secession declarations for the southern states? Did you not even know that these documents, which clearly state that the threat of the abolition of slavery is either the no. 1 item on their list of reasons or the only one listed, existed? It would be easy to find them online but I suspect you wouldn't want to do that because it would threaten your mythology.
 
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digitusmedius said:
So, horsegirl, you're telling us that you think northerners wrote the secession declarations for the southern states? Did you not even know that these documents, which clearly state that the threat of the abolition of slavery is either the no. 1 item on their list of reasons or the only one listed, existed? It would be easy to find them online but I suspect you wouldn't want to do that because it would threaten your mythology.
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Do you forget that slavery was more rampant in the north than you are led to believe? Not to mention that Lincoln in reality had every intention of deporting the blacks back to Africa, which luckily for them he didn't get a chance. His "emancipation proclamation" on the other hand only freed the Southern slaves, who if they did manage to escape and were caught they were returned under the Fugitive Slave Act. Now I could see where some states would make it all about slavery but overall it was a minor issue, that is until the yanks realized the Confederates were no pushovers.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Start with reading The South was Right. A lot of things I have actually found out that have been left out of the history books you'll have to go to heaven to find out, since my granddaddy, who taught me more than I could ever learn in any book, has been gone from this earth for 9 1/2 years now. He got his information from the veterans who lived in the Old Soldier's Home in Richmond VA, while a student at Benedictine College (now Benedictine College Prepatory) in Richmond in the 1920's.
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Bwhahaha and there is the origins of your revisionists propaganda. The League of the South are a white supremacist and white nationalist organization. James Ronald Kennedy(Author of The South was Right) being a co founder of the League of the South.

Southern Nationalist is how the League of the South describes itself and then there is the white supremacist BS.

DixieNet.Org :: Official Website of the League of the South!

"Q: Why does the LS seek to protect the Anglo-Celtic core population and culture of the historic South?

A: The Anglo-Celtic peoples settled the South and gave it its dominate culture and civilisation. We believe that the advancement of Anglo-Celtic culture and civilisation is vital in order to preserve our region as we know it. Should this core be destroyed or displaced the South would be made over in an alien image - unfamiliar and inhospitable to our children and grandchildren. We, as Anglo-Celtic Southerners, have a duty to protect that which our ancestors bequeathed to us. If we do not promote our interests then no one will do it for us."


Its funny the neo-Confederates always out themselves as being the reason that the Confederate flag represents hate.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Bwhahaha and there is the origins of your revisionists propaganda. The League of the South are a white supremacist and white nationalist organization. James Ronald Kennedy(Author of The South was Right) being a co founder of the League of the South.

Southern Nationalist is how the League of the South describes itself and then there is the white supremacist BS.

DixieNet.Org :: Official Website of the League of the South!

"Q: Why does the LS seek to protect the Anglo-Celtic core population and culture of the historic South?

A: The Anglo-Celtic peoples settled the South and gave it its dominate culture and civilisation. We believe that the advancement of Anglo-Celtic culture and civilisation is vital in order to preserve our region as we know it. Should this core be destroyed or displaced the South would be made over in an alien image - unfamiliar and inhospitable to our children and grandchildren. We, as Anglo-Celtic Southerners, have a duty to protect that which our ancestors bequeathed to us. If we do not promote our interests then no one will do it for us."


Its funny the neo-Confederates always out themselves as being the reason that the Confederate flag represents hate.
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If you had been from my granddaddy's day you would understand things a little better
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
His mental issues do not need to be dismissed, they need to be brought out to focus on the pathetic mental health system in this nation.
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Racism is now classified as a mental disorder by the DSM-V if that's what you mean. But this guy was not insane. He knew exactly what he was doing and thoroughly explained that to his victims as well as left an extensive bit of writing about how he felt. He also knew it was wrong since he tried to get away. He is a white supremacist and a terrorist.
 
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