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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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Paperview said:
Then you should have a problem with the State sanctioned use of the American Swastika bestowing legitimacy to a flag that was flown in the name of perpetuating White Supremacy.
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Another revisionist historian.

How quaint.
 
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bicycleman said:
You have no clue what the Confederate flag stands for, and it doesn't have anything to do with slavery. What it does have to do, though is the original concept of 13 free states having their own rights to do and make laws as they see fit as was the original design of the US Constitution, but it was northern aggression and oppression that made the southern states secede from the union. Take a look at that battle flag and you will see an X with 13 stars in it and an all red, white, and blue flag. My great great grand father died fighting for the Confederacy. He never had slaves his entire life, but he was fighting for his home and freedom from tyranny. He definitely wasn't fighting for slavery.
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The flag, or rather flags your great great grand father fought under weren't even the same flags. The current battle flag was adopted in the civil rights era... as an opposition to civil rights. So no, it doesn't stand for this heritage and that blah, it simply doesn't.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
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I didn't know people flew the thing until I moved to Arkansas when I was 13. And upon arriving here - the only (ONLY) people to fly it or show it were white trash racists.

So - the history of the flag is ONE thing, but the modern meaning of the flag to a large group of people is ANOTHER thing. And so we've had several generations of people who - clearly - have been raised with the instilled belief that it's a sign of racism. That overrules the past greatly.

How many black people fly it with their 'southern heritage roots'? Exactly.

I didn't actually realize that it was flying in S.C. per their legislative requirements - and to me that screams 'archaic - and insulting, pretending to be blind to its modern concept'.

Further, I still take issue with its original meaning as well: representing opposition to the overall country, the desire to separate form the US.

Either way - I don't like it, never have - and no matter what anyone says, all I've seen are a bunch of uneducated racist pratts fly it. It should have been removed and put away A LONG TIME AGO. Yet it took one guy shooting some people in a church to manage this?

Long overdue, in my view. And I'm sort of tired of people defending it - and further tired of people assuming all white southerners like the ****ing thing.
 
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bicycleman said:
It hasn't won too many wars after World War II, though. It's not fashionable to win wars anymore.
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Too expensive. Best is to cause just enough disruption so that real power cannot gel somewhere offshore. That or, like Vietnam, pretend to lose and then have them make our shirts 30 years later.
 
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bicycleman said:
You have no clue what the Confederate flag stands for, and it doesn't have anything to do with slavery. What it does have to do, though is the original concept of 13 free states having their own rights to do and make laws as they see fit as was the original design of the US Constitution, but it was northern aggression and oppression that made the southern states secede from the union. Take a look at that battle flag and you will see an X with 13 stars in it and an all red, white, and blue flag. My great great grand father died fighting for the Confederacy. He never had slaves his entire life, but he was fighting for his home and freedom from tyranny. He definitely wasn't fighting for slavery.
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Rather than reply to this right now I feel like you should read up on the civil war and specifically causes of the civil war, why it started and how it started. Events leading up to the war ect. Once you have done that please let me know and then we can have this discussion.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I didn't know people flew the thing until I moved to Arkansas when I was 13. And upon arriving here - the only (ONLY) people to fly it or show it were white trash racists.

So - the history of the flag is ONE thing, but the modern meaning of the flag to a large group of people is ANOTHER thing. And so we've had several generations of people who - clearly - have been raised with the instilled belief that it's a sign of racism. That overrules the past greatly.

How many black people fly it with their 'southern heritage roots'? Exactly.

I didn't actually realize that it was flying in S.C. per their legislative requirements - and to me that screams 'archaic - and insulting, pretending to be blind to its modern concept'.

Further, I still take issue with its original meaning as well: representing opposition to the overall country, the desire to separate form the US.

Either way - I don't like it, never have - and no matter what anyone says, all I've seen are a bunch of uneducated racist pratts fly it. It should have been removed and put away A LONG TIME AGO. Yet it took one guy shooting some people in a church to manage this?

Long overdue, in my view. And I'm sort of tired of people defending it - and further tired of people assuming all white southerners like the ****ing thing.
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What's amazing is SC is no longer a backward state. Lots of industry has moved there. That the newbies don't take issue with the Hate Flag flying above their statehouse is troubling.
 
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calamity said:
What's amazing is SC is no longer a backward state. Lots of industry has moved there. That the newbies don't take issue with the Hate Flag flying above their statehouse is troubling.
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is that all it takes for a "backward state" to become "unbackwards" .... Industrial companies simply have to move in and hire people?
 
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Ockham said:
is that all it takes for a "backward state" to become "unbackwards" .... Industrial companies simply have to move in and hire people?
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You'd think that it would help. After all, with new companies come new people, most of them people from Northern cities and states.
 
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The south lost.
 
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Paperview said:
Posted earlier in the thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/227177-confederate-flag-7.html#post1064748031

Some background on *why* the flag made it's resurgence.
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Complete conjecture and false parallels.

The flag made its resurgence along with state centennial celebrations and then its popularity later soared with the popular TV show, Dukes of Hazard.

A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

HowardBThiname said:
A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
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If that were the case, you'd have flags honoring other wars being flown as well.

All you have to do is look at the kind of people who fly the Confederate flag, and you'll know what you are dealing with. But it just sounds so much more polite to say it's about states' rights. Yeah, technically it is about states' rights - the right to keep slaves.

And I don't see any symbols being removed from the South, but I'm all for it if the symbol is a symbol of hate and division, and clearly I'm not the only one who feels that way.
 
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The flag is racist as ****, and is a blight on every state capitol that chooses to fly it. Southerners can scream that it's not about racism, but about South pride or South culture til they're blue in the face, every else knows exactly what the flag stands for.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Complete conjecture and false parallels.

The flag made its resurgence along with state centennial celebrations and then its popularity later soared with the popular TV show, Dukes of Hazard.

A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
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No, not conjecture and not false parallels.

The flag came out full force during Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat run, and the CR movement was threatening the White Supremacy of the south and their beloved Jim Crow laws.

To deny this is to deny reality.
 
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Superfly said:
If that were the case, you'd have flags honoring other wars being flown as well.
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There are. Texas flies it's battle flag with the date 1824. "Remember the Alamo." Besides the Civil War, there haven't been any other "state" battles other than the Alamo. Native Americans, however, fly individual tribe flags, using the symbols they used for eternity, and the US beat them as well.
All you have to do is look at the kind of people who fly the Confederate flag, and you'll know what you are dealing with. But it just sounds so much more polite to say it's about states' rights. Yeah, technically it is about states' rights - the right to keep slaves.
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Hogwash. That's what it will come to mean now - but that's not what it means to so many. Aren't you glad you can take part in the intolerance?
And I don't see any symbols being removed from the South, but I'm all for it if the symbol is a symbol of hate and division, and clearly I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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Liberals with a fascist bent and politicians of every stripe will "feel" that way now. You win.

And sadly, intolerance wins right along with you.
 
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Paperview said:
No, not conjecture and not false parallels.

The flag came out full force during Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat run, and the CR movement was threatening the White Supremacy of the south and their beloved Jim Crow laws.

To deny this is to deny reality.
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To deny that the flag became a pop-culture icon, appearing on everything from shirts to mouse pads, posters and hats after made popular by the Dukes of Hazard is to deny reality.
 
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Lutherf said:
What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
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Gimmesometruth said:
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
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Crickets, lol.

It was slavery. All other issues were a distant second. The writings and speeches from the time are very clear. And they completely go against this revisionist history that you are espousing.
 
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Cardinal said:
The flag is racist as ****, and is a blight on every state capitol that chooses to fly it. Southerners can scream that it's not about racism, but about South pride or South culture til they're blue in the face, every else knows exactly what the flag stands for.
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Do you realize that the Southern Cross or a variety of the other Confederate flags appear on 7 state flags?

What do you think should be done about that?

And, what should happen to the war memorials and statues of Confederate war heroes?

Should we also take Jefferson off our currency since he owned slaves?

How far do you want to go?
 
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Lutherf said:
I didn't actually realize that it was flying in S.C. per their legislative requirements - and to me that screams 'archaic - and insulting, pretending to be blind to its modern concept'.
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Whats even more insulting is that the flag started being flown over S.C. in the 1960's, when the courts and the federal government was ending segregation and the fight for civil rights was under way.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
To deny that the flag became a pop-culture icon, appearing on everything from shirts to mouse pads, posters and hats after made popular by the Dukes of Hazard is to deny reality.
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When did it first start getting flown and carted about in the south again? Dixiecrat era.

Why did the KKK use that flag when they were going around intimidating the **** out of the black people and beating them and lynching them?

When did it first start going up Southern State houses?

Your 1979 Dukes of Hazards reference is pacepalmable as to why it made it's resurgence in the first place.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Do you realize that the Southern Cross or a variety of the other Confederate flags appear on 7 state flags?

What do you think should be done about that?

And, what should happen to the war memorials and statues of Confederate war heroes?

Should we also take Jefferson off our currency since he owned slaves?

How far do you want to go?
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Ah yes, the "If we ban A, then we must ban B-Z" argument. I encountered that just the other week when stating my opposition to the death penalty, and another poster said, "If you ban the death penalty, then you must ban punishment altogether."

Slippery slope argument rejected.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
When someone starts that type of insulting, it becomes obvious that they know they're on shaky ground. I told you that you would win this one. I'm just telling you that your victory is a loss for truth and integrity. I don't have a confederate flag. I don't even own an American flag, so your insult is as misplaced as is your idea that you can make the world a better place by shoving your personal ideology down others' throats. No one said a state should be "required" to display the flag, it's only been said that, as a determining part of some states' cultures, it should be "allowed."

Remember my prediction. You will take this symbol and turn it into a racist symbol that every skinhead sews onto his clothing.
That will be the result of your insistence on making it a racist symbol.
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 You're driving a racial wedge - and you're not alone. Your intent is to "stick it to those racists in the South" by forcing them to abandon their history.

That's not liberalism - that's pure fascism.
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The people who made the Confederate flag a racist symbol are the people who have used it as a racist symbol for many years. :roll:

Getting rid of the Confederate flag won't end racism in the USA but it's a small step in the right direction.

Some people are opposed to getting rid of the Confederate flag but they're going to lose this kerfuffle.
 
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shrubnose said:
The people who made the Confederate flag a racist symbol are the people who have used it as a racist symbol for many years. :roll:

Getting rid of the Confederate flag won't end racism in the USA but it's a small step in the right direction.
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Bingo.

At the very least, with it's removal from state houses and incorporation into state flags, it at least does not give state sanction legitimacy to the failed, traitor "nation" and its racist symbol.
 
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Paperview said:
Bingo.

At the very least, with it's removal from state houses and incorporation into state flags, it at least does not give state sanction legitimacy to the failed, traitor "nation" and its racist symbol.
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That's pretty much my thinking on this.

We can't stop racists from getting the Confederate flag tattooed on their forehead but we don't want any of them to think that any state supports their racist ideas.
 
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