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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
Re: Confederate Flag

No, it is indicative of an force getting increasingly outnumbered. It shows nothing about fighting prowess. In fact, the CSA won or tied far more battles than they lost.

What matters more? 'Fighting prowess'? Or winning the WAR?

IF the confederate soldiers had actually some supreme fighting prowess(or strategy), being outnumbered would not have mattered.
 
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The Confederate flag is from a foreign nation that we successfully conquered. All the other stuff notwithstanding, why would we (read: our government) want to celebrate that?

I agree, but They weren't a foreign nation. They were traitors.
 
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The confederacy compares to it. The entire reason for the confederacy was the attempt to preserve the institution that enslaved millions. That is about as evil of a cause as you could come up with. I love the south but in my opinion there should not even be a single memorial for a confederate soldier. The Civil War is a shame upon the South just like the Nazi era is a shame upon Germany.

I pretty much agree with all of this...
 
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Korea was no tie... if you don't win you lose. Mexico? Maybe but not that impressive. The Brits burned the White House... that is a loss for that alone.

Native Americans? Not much of a war. We never even fielded an army.... just army units here and there.

I agree about the Native Americans and the War of 1812, but the Mexican victory took real skill. A small US army landed on the Mexican coast, then marched inward to Mexico City. Not only did this small force beat every Mexican field force, but US leaders skillfully exploited social divisions regarding Mexican identity. They also wisely left Mexico proper before the endless guerilla war started.
 
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Acutally the Swastica has been around for 12,000 years and is a symbol of prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things. Only on the Nazi flag does it represent hate.

But we live now. What meaning it have however many years ago is no longer relevant to the majority of people
 
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that makes no sense

Sure it does... it is also a symbol of hypocrisy and evil and that is why protestors burn it so often.
 
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But we live now. What meaning it have however many years ago is no longer relevant to the majority of people

To perhaps a couple billion people TODAY that swastica represents prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things, as I said.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Looks like the Left found something to divert attention away from Obama's ****ed up administration.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

True. But it represents those things and condoning it's presence indirectly endorses that ideology in the eyes of many people it also can be seen as the dismissal of a pretty profound injustice.

are you saying South Carolina indirectly endorses racism, slavery, segregation and murder?

if not, you should probably reevaluate your argument.
 
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But we live now. What meaning it have however many years ago is no longer relevant to the majority of people

You may live now but I live in eternity...
 
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Looks like the Left found something to divert attention away from Obama's ****ed up administration.

... and the fact that he is a secret Muslim...
 
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it's interesting that the Swastika existed for thousands of years before Hitler came along... and he ruined utterly ruined it ( for now).
it's a really cool symbol... and i hope someday someone takes that power that Hitler still holds over people and revives the symbol into something better.
or we can be juvenile about it and cast it away for ever and ever ,amen... as if doing away with the symbol magically solves problems.

You should try and reverse that trend. Go as a visitor with a swastika on your tee shirt into an US military base.
 
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I agree about the Native Americans and the War of 1812, but the Mexican victory took real skill. A small US army landed on the Mexican coast, then marched inward to Mexico City. Not only did this small force beat every Mexican field force, but US leaders skillfully exploited social divisions regarding Mexican identity. They also wisely left Mexico proper before the endless guerilla war started.

OK although this whole line of debate was based off of my sarcastic comment.
 
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What matters more? 'Fighting prowess'? Or winning the WAR?

IF the confederate soldiers had actually some supreme fighting prowess(or strategy), being outnumbered would not have mattered.


Winning the war. My contention, however, is simply that contrary to Calamity's claim, the CSA never had "its ass handed to it". Likewise, "supreme" fighting prowess does not exist. CSA units, however, and the men who led them delivered noticeably more bang for the buck on an average basis than their union equivelants.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Acutally the Swastica has been around for 12,000 years and is a symbol of prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things. Only on the Nazi flag does it represent hate.

But to most people - that's what it represents. Most people don't realize that it's been around for 12,000 years. They see a swastika, and they see genocide and Nazi death camps.

It doesn't matter what it started out meaning. What matters is how it is viewed now, in my opinion. Groups take symbols and turn them into images of hate, and that's what has happened with the swastika.

The Confederate flag, though, has always been a symbol of hate and divisiveness.
 
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But to most people - that's what it represents. Most people don't realize that it's been around for 12,000 years. They see a swastika, and they see genocide and Nazi death camps.

It doesn't matter what it started out meaning. What matters is how it is viewed now, in my opinion. Groups take symbols and turn them into images of hate, and that's what has happened with the swastika.

The Confederate flag, though, has always been a symbol of hate and divisiveness.

I have never seen the Confederate Flag as one of hate and I know my history...

The swastica as presented in the Nazi flag is genocide but not the swastica itself. Research it a bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Swastika
 
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why not pull the US flag down then?.. American Indians have that flag thrown their face all the time... aren't they worth consideration?



it's interesting that the Swastika existed for thousands of years before Hitler came along... and he ruined utterly ruined it ( for now).
it's a really cool symbol... and i hope someday someone takes that power that Hitler still holds over people and revives the symbol into something better.
or we can be juvenile about it and cast it away for ever and ever ,amen... as if doing away with the symbol magically solves problems.

The American flag means much more than what happened to Native Americans. Much more.

Confederate flags mean one thing, and one thing only, and to continually fly it regardless of who it hurts or offends speaks more of issues with people who want the flag to remain, than with those of us who want it removed.
 
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The American flag means much more than what happened to Native Americans. Much more.

Confederate flags mean one thing, and one thing only, and to continually fly it regardless of who it hurts or offends speaks more of issues with people who want the flag to remain, than with those of us who want it removed.

Not to Native Americans I bet...
 
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To perhaps a couple billion people TODAY that swastica represents prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things, as I said.

:lol: Who? Who today looks at a swastika and sees prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace?
 
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Looks like the Left found something to divert attention away from Obama's ****ed up administration.

The flag is a consequential matter, but it is a pity it comes at a time when a shooting occurred. It almost seems like a bread crumb for a tragedy, but that is life. Control what. Can actually be controlled, I suppose.

That being said, the Republican Party has well over a year to critique the administration and will probably have less difficulty doing so than liberals feel comfortable admitting.
 
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I have never seen the Confederate Flag as one of hate and I know my history...

Bodhi. You are white. Of course you wouldn't see it as one of hate.

It's not a stretch that it wouldn't offend you. :lol:
 
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The American flag means much more than what happened to Native Americans. Much more.

Confederate flags mean one thing, and one thing only, and to continually fly it regardless of who it hurts or offends speaks more of issues with people who want the flag to remain, than with those of us who want it removed.

from what i've been told by southerners, it doesn't represent "just one thing".

just as the American flag represents different things to different people, so it is with other flags.

the thing is , people are getting all gushy over the US flag... utterly ignoring the vast amount of atrocities and evil that occurred under it... and then turning around and crapping all over a flag that was once held by a rebel nation for 4 short years.

I contend that flag has more to do with modern state of South Carolina that it does with the CSA....

I understand many folks are incapable of changing their perspective on such matters... but i think it's rather silly, and ironic, to be held slave by a symbol.
but I also understand in this ultra PC world we live in, stuff like this is impossible to get over... we are, after all, a perpetually offended nation.
I'm also sure nothign will change in regards ot racism, murder, segregation, and slavery... but at least we can say we did " something".. even if that something doesn't affect anything.

so I dunno.. might as well just ban flags altogether...especially if we're going to be hypocritical about them.
 
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