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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
Re: Confederate Flag

calamity said:
THe Confederate flag represents losers. It's like wearing a Cubs hat in Yankee stadium.
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Or just anyone that wears a Yankee hat.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
It took us a long time to do that... what if all the South needed was more time as well?
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Sure, what if? Yet, for the north it was built-in to the DNA of our republic. If you can show me anywhere in the founding documents of the confederacy, any intention or desire to make all men free and equal, I will gladly stand corrected.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
Or just anyone that wears a Yankee hat.
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Yanks won nearly 30 world championships. Cubs haven't played for one in almost a 100 years.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
The USA Flag is about 50/50.

Won: Am. Revolution, WWI, WWII, Persian Gul War
Lost: Vietnam, Korea and the War of 1812

Spanish American War was next to nothing and I left out Iraq and Afghanistan because there is no winner or loser other than the people living there.
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Nam, definitely a loss. Korea a tie. 1812? Seems to me we Kicked the Brits butt a second time in that one.

Seems to me too that we won all the Indian wars and the Mexican one as well.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

calamity said:
Yanks won nearly 30 world championships. Cubs haven't played for one in almost a 100 years.
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And full cheaters= Losers. Anyways if the states wants to fly the flag let them.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

I don't think any government should be flying it. The US flag stands for a lot of things. You can say it stood for slavery, but you can also say it stands for abolition since we fought under it to free the slaves. The Confederate flag stands for secession, mainly because of slavery. Imo, it's disrespectful.
 
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What do you mean by abolished?

People can still put in their trucks and fly on their personal property for all I care, that's their constitutional right.

But, no government building (or one partly funded by the government) at any level should have that rebel flag flying.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

cpgrad08 said:
And full cheaters= Losers. Anyways if the states wants to fly the flag let them.
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All is fair in love and war...and, apparently baseball.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Kreton said:
The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
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Let's face reality, shall we? The American flag waved over slavery much, much longer than the Confederate flag.

It also waved over and represented the US during these horrific acts:

Stealing land from Mexico; Indian Removal Act; Tuskegee syphilis experiment; Project MKULTRA, Subproject 68; Mustard Gas Tested on Soldiers via Involuntary Gas Chambers; Deadly Chemical Sprays on American Cities; US Infects Guatemalans With STDs; Human Experiments to Test the Effects of The Atomic Bomb; Injecting Prisoners with Agent Orange; Infecting Puerto Rico With Cancer; Pentagon Treats Black Cancer Patients with Extreme Radiation; Operation Midnight Climax involved safe houses in New York and San Francisco, built for the sole purpose to study LSD effects on non-consenting individuals; Fallout Radiation on Unsuspecting Pacific Territories

There are plenty more examples that expose the US government for horrific acts committed on mankind over the years. So please spare me the freedom :bs about the American flag.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Still waving the American flag proudly?

The 13 Most Evil US Government Human Experiments - War Is Crime
 
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Re: Confederate Flag

The US flag represents the country, while the Confederate flag denotes a specific faction that was willing to die for the right to own their fellow human beings. It should be removed from public property and heavily stigmatized.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

radcen said:
This.



Yes, but it's OUR symbol of racism and segregation.
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and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Occam's Razor said:
Sure, what if? Yet, for the north it was built-in to the DNA of our republic. If you can show me anywhere in the founding documents of the confederacy, any intention or desire to make all men free and equal, I will gladly stand corrected.
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From the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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By all men did they mean just white men? What about native Americans and black Americans?

How equal were they? Did they have different certain unalienable rights than white men? Because that's how they were treated.

Since this flag issue is here, let's talk about the flags issue, not a flag issue.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Thrilla said:
and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.
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No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.

Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
 
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No it's just a flag. That said no non-US flags should be flying on state or federal grounds.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Occam's Razor said:
No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.
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are you talking about the CSA flag or the American flag?

Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
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sure, I can entertain different perspectives.... I just feel that crybabies are being absurd with this whole flag business.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064744735 said:
From the Declaration of Independence:



By all men did they mean just white men? What about native Americans and black Americans?

How equal were they? Did they have different certain unalienable rights than white men? Because that's how they were treated.

Since this flag issue is here, let's talk about the flags issue, not a flag issue.
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The colonies were in crisis. They had to band together. That meant compromises. The genius of the founders wasn't that they were perfect men, but that they knew they weren't perfect men and you couldn't jump to an ideal world all at once.

Time and again they told us, we have begun this work, this grand experiment to achieve liberty and freedom for all, it will be up to future generations to continue to advance the principles set forth in the declaration. Yes, they meant everyone, just not tomorrow. Trying to do so would have ended the experiment before it got started.

So you cling to that pathetic, weak, half truth justification if you like... Just know it won't fly here.

I revere the founders not because they were perfect and righteous, but because they knew they, like all men are flawed. Constrained to some extent by the conditions of contemporary society. Same as now.

Each generation has advanced the cause of freedom and equality in keeping with the founding spirit of this country. The south took a step back. Clearly.

So, you are unable to find even the tiniest reference to the confederacy moving someday to freedom for all? That so.
 
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Thrilla said:
and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.
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Right. Nothing causes anything.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

How would that make you feel?

Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Thrilla said:
are you talking about the CSA flag or the American flag?

sure, I can entertain different perspectives.... I just feel that crybabies are being absurd with this whole flag business.
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Which cry babies, the victims of hundreds of years of being stepped on, or the crackas that have to have that flag on everything they own... And on state, public owned land?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

calamity said:
Nam, definitely a loss. Korea a tie. 1812? Seems to me we Kicked the Brits butt a second time in that one.

Seems to me too that we won all the Indian wars and the Mexican one as well.
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Korea was no tie... if you don't win you lose. Mexico? Maybe but not that impressive. The Brits burned the White House... that is a loss for that alone.

Native Americans? Not much of a war. We never even fielded an army.... just army units here and there.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

a351 said:
The US flag represents the country, while the Confederate flag denotes a specific faction that was willing to die for the right to own their fellow human beings. It should be removed from public property and heavily stigmatized.
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So do State Flags in the South. Should Mississippi have their's removed and stigmatized as well? Georgia?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Occam's Razor said:
No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.

Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
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Same with State Flags from the South... just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Superfly said:
So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

How would that make you feel?

Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.
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Acutally the Swastica has been around for 12,000 years and is a symbol of prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things. Only on the Nazi flag does it represent hate.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Occam's Razor said:
The colonies were in crisis. They had to band together. That meant compromises. The genius of the founders wasn't that they were perfect men, but that they knew they weren't perfect men and you couldn't jump to an ideal world all at once.

Time and again they told us, we have begun this work, this grand experiment to achieve liberty and freedom for all, it will be up to future generations to continue to advance the principles set forth in the declaration. Yes, they meant everyone, just not tomorrow. Trying to do so would have ended the experiment before it got started.

So you cling to that pathetic, weak, half truth justification if you like... Just know it won't fly here.

I revere the founders not because they were perfect and righteous, but because they knew they, like all men are flawed. Constrained to some extent by the conditions of contemporary society. Same as now.

Each generation has advanced the cause of freedom and equality in keeping with the founding spirit of this country. The south took a step back. Clearly.

So, you are unable to find even the tiniest reference to the confederacy moving someday to freedom for all? That so.
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Weak and pathetic is your obvious support of racism, murder, and other atrocities represented in form of the US flag you senselessly cling to.

You want to end representations of deplorable acts of racism, just the ones you can comprehend.
 
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