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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
Re: Confederate Flag

Paperview said:
Thank dog the union forced the South to give up their desire to perpetuate legal human trafficking.
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Then I guess you ignore the reality that the slaves in the north had to be freed, by law, at 21. However rather than free the slaves they sold the slaves to the Caribbean. That's a little nugget of history your revisionist book forgot to tell you
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Then I guess you ignore the reality that the slaves in the north had to be freed, by law, at 21. However rather than free the slaves they sold the slaves to the Caribbean. That's a little nugget of history your revisionist book forgot to tell you
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lol.

No one takes you seriously, girl.

You blew cred long, long ago.

Time for you to go look at you granpapa's Rebel pictures and pine about the old days.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Well then Florida needs new leaders. Simple as that
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Why? Because the current leaders read the requirements, noted that CSA =/= U.S.A. and therefore disqualified the candidates per the written requirements?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Paperview said:
lol.

No one takes you seriously, girl.

You blew cred long, long ago.

Time for you to go look at you granpapa's Rebel pictures and pine about the old days.
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Not my fault the revisionists have a problem with truth. In the words of Colonel Jessep, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
 
Re: Confederate Flag

And lookie here.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/101

US Law that defines Veterans.

Let the US Military Officer I quoted earlier explain it further:

“American” means of or pertaining to the United States. When the confederate apologist liars claim Congress declared confederate veterans to be American veterans, that’s what they mean.

By act of Congress, an American [i.e., US] veteran is someone who was honorably discharged or killed in action from the UNITED STATES military. What you still don’t understand is that only for the purposes of awarding pensions to widows and children, and for nothing else, were confederate veterans designated veterans of the Civil War by Public Law 85-425.

That was only so widows and children can be paid money. You know, that government handout type thing you and the rest of the confederate apologists claim to be against. What the confederate apologist liars are doing is trying to inflate that into something it clearly is not.

“Section 432″ covers widows of Civil War veterans and “Section 433″ covers children of Civil War veterans. All Congress did, thanks to key southerners who were no doubt descendants of confederates, was expand the population of who could be paid the government handouts.

Confederates fought against American soldiers, just like the Taliban, just like the Japanese and Nazis in WWII, just like the Vietnamese and the North Koreans, just like the Germans in WWI. Just like all the enemies of America. They weren’t American soldiers."

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/veterans-day-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-8964
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Consult your dictionary because I do not believe the word straw or man is in the definition of the word truth. If you want to blame a flag then go ahead and be part of the problem
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No one in this conversation the last few days at least is blaming the murders on a flag. If you want to quote someone making that claim, do it. But drive by posts consisting of nothing but straw men totally unrelated to the conversation you entered aren't helpful.
 
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JasperL said:
It's hilarious how you just substitute terms to suit your purpose. You originally said, and I'm quoting you, "U.S. memorial" to "U.S. Civil war veterans" but when confronted with the idiocy of flying the flag of an enemy to the U.S. over a "U.S. Memorial" then it becomes what it is, which is a state sponsored memorial to "the Confederacy."
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Apparently you are confused and can not follow what is being said. You may not even be reading what was said.
But something is wrong your uptake, as you are clearly wrong in your characterization of the arguments made.
It is either that or you are continuing your silly game.


JasperL said:
Well, not limited, but non-existent benefits.
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:doh Yes limited. That limited benefit still exists. It is the people do not.
Which in no way changes the status they were conferred by it.


JasperL said:
Not one dime of benefits was paid to any Confederate veteran
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And you have been repeatedly told that is an irrelevant argument as it does not change the status they were conferred.
So unless you you can make a valid argument that it does change the status they were conferred by it you have no valid point.





Paperview said:
More, from a serious Civil War blogger and US Air Force Officer:
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How cute, you think you are making an argument from authority. A logical fallacy.
Harumph! A serious Civil War blogger! iLOL :lamo A US Air Force Officer. :doh iLOL

You also might want to try differentiating between what you say versus what you are copy and pasting.


Unfortunately for you, his analysis fails.


Paperview said:
Some confederate heritage advocates will make the absurd claim that confederate veterans are American veterans by act of Congress. They aren’t. No act of Congress declared confederate veterans to be American veterans. They were declared to be Civil War veterans.
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This is where his analysis fails.
The Civil War was the US Civil war.
A Civil War veteran is a US Civil War veteran.
They were all considered US citizens by the US. Making them US Veterans of the US Civil War.

A US Veteran is an American Veteran.
Saying otherwise like the idiot you provided is called lying.



Harumph! A serious Civil War blogger indeed. :doh iLOL :lamo
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Thank you for proving that Floriduh needs new leaders
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What part of "the candidates did not meet the written requirements of being honorably discharged from the U.S. military" is hard to understand? What part of "CSA is not the USA" is difficult?

Should their leaders ignore the written requirements when it suits them, or just when it comes to honoring Confederate veterans?
 
Paperview said:
What an insult to US veterans who fought in that war for the Union.
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The only insult has been to the Civil War veterans by removing the Flag from the memorial.


Paperview said:
To think Confederate traitors should be placed on the same footing as those who took up arms against the US, and killed hundreds of thousands of US Citizens --
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The US considered the Southern soldiers US as well.
And your comment denies the reality of the circumstance then.


Paperview said:
in the cause to perpetuate human bondage.
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Irrelevant as it was a legal practice then.


Paperview said:
Sickening.
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Yes, that describes your post to a "T".
 
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A US Veteran is an American Veteran.
Saying otherwise like the idiot you provided is called lying.
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The Confederates were ENEMIES of the US.

To call them US Veterans for anything other than to give government handouts to a few remaining widows -- especially as the Law states it is

JUST

FOR

THAT

PURPOSE

is wholly disingenuous and a flat-out, Lost cause, neo-confederate, traitor soaked Lie.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

JasperL said:
OK. But can you address the rest of my comment?
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I did in fact address said action in the post by saying it is a symbolic gesture to mend fences with the south. Thus relevant to the point.
 
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Excon said:
This is where his analysis fails.
The Civil War was the US Civil war.
A Civil War veteran is a US Civil War veteran.
They were all considered US citizens by the US. Making them US Veterans of the US Civil War.

A US Veteran is an American Veteran.
Saying otherwise like the idiot you provided is called lying.

Harumph! A serious Civil War blogger indeed. :doh iLOL :lamo
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Hi. Apparently you know very little about civil war history.

The south seceded from the union. That makes southern soldiers traitors, not US Civil War veterans. They were not part of the US armed forces. They were part of a failed rebellion led by a bunch of racists.

The more you know!
 
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Absentglare said:
Hi. Apparently you know very little about civil war history.

The south seceded from the union. That makes southern soldiers traitors, not US Civil War veterans. They were not part of the US armed forces. They were part of a failed rebellion led by a bunch of racists.

The more you know!
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They were still a part of the USA since secession is not legal.
 
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Paperview said:
And lookie here.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/101

US Law that defines Veterans.

Let the US Military Officer I quoted earlier explain it further:

“American” means of or pertaining to the United States. When the confederate apologist liars claim Congress declared confederate veterans to be American veterans, that’s what they mean.

By act of Congress, an American [i.e., US] veteran is someone who was honorably discharged or killed in action from the UNITED STATES military. What you still don’t understand is that only for the purposes of awarding pensions to widows and children, and for nothing else, were confederate veterans designated veterans of the Civil War by Public Law 85-425.

That was only so widows and children can be paid money. You know, that government handout type thing you and the rest of the confederate apologists claim to be against. What the confederate apologist liars are doing is trying to inflate that into something it clearly is not.

“Section 432″ covers widows of Civil War veterans and “Section 433″ covers children of Civil War veterans. All Congress did, thanks to key southerners who were no doubt descendants of confederates, was expand the population of who could be paid the government handouts.

Confederates fought against American soldiers, just like the Taliban, just like the Japanese and Nazis in WWII, just like the Vietnamese and the North Koreans, just like the Germans in WWI. Just like all the enemies of America. They weren’t American soldiers."

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/veterans-day-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-8964
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I'll tell you something straight up, bud, when you start flaming it means you've lost confidence in your own argument.
 
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lololol

Neo-Confederates are apologists and liars. By and large.

Fact.

deal with it.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Absentglare said:
Hi. Apparently you know very little about civil war history.

The south seceded from the union. That makes southern soldiers traitors, not US Civil War veterans. They were not part of the US armed forces. They were part of a failed rebellion led by a bunch of racists.

The more you know!
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Oddly enough you are correct in a couple of instances. The South did secede from the Union. It was thus not a "civil" war.

You would be hard pressed to argue that it was the intention of South to gain control of and replace the U.S. government. As for traitors, call them what you will. The South left the Union and formed an independent nation. It did not attempt to seize control, overtake and become the government of Union. You can disagree and get all apoplectic and continue to insist that your state - wherever it might be - your relatives, if they even lived here during the War Between the States and you as ancestor of the agrevied parties have been the victims of a great harm, but you can't change the facts.

Certainly in your righteous indignation you may continue to be the perfect and untainted identifier of all things racist, but I'll wait until there is a consensus regarding your qualified status.
 
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Paperview said:
Yes, the enemies of the US were viewed as insurrectionists.
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Yep... and they were enemies, there is no mistake about that one.
 
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