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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stevens disagree with you.


    Alexander Stevens, vice president of the Confederacy made this statement the day the Civil War began:


    " Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law.

    Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material -- the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so.

    It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made “one star to differ from another star in glory. The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws."


    The Civil War Was About Slavery. Confederate Leaders Were Totally Clear On This.
    I posted the Cornerstone speech statements from Confederate VP Stephens on the previous page. They were ignored.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    So I guess you don't care that they were tired of being heavily taxed to pay for the war of 1812 then
    Sure, that was cited all the time as above the economic and ideological rationales of slavery.

    I wonder....are you confusing "taxes" with tariffs placed on imports to pay for the War of 1812?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I posted the Cornerstone speech statements from Confederate VP Stephens on the previous page. They were ignored.

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt it would seem.
    Sorry, I missed that, Haymarket. But since she doesn't seem to have a problem repeating her revisionist history, it shouldn't hurt to keep repeating the truth and correcting her whenever and as much as possible.


    edit: actually I posted Stephan's quote before you did, which why I missed it. So please don't think I was ignoring you.
    Last edited by Moot; 07-01-15 at 07:28 PM.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wow.

    The subject was not the percentage of owners, but the level of discrimination different population groups in the US faced.

    This is a whopper of a non-sequitur.
    People on both sides of the Mason Dixon had no care for the well being of the black man, nor believed him to be equal to the white man.

    They did, however, just a few decades prior to the civil war come to a "moral epiphany" if you will (mostly due to the fact that their industrial economy no longer required slaves) that slavery was "teh evil" (which it is), and thus the south (whose farming economy depended on it) needed to quit it as well.

    Slavery and Racism are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. The fact that the North decided to give up slavery shortly before the Civil War doesn't mean they suddenly became non-racist people.

    I think somehow through the focus on the South and its slavery, history has attempted to compartmentalize all of this country's racism during the civil war into the south.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Sure, that was cited all the time as above the economic and ideological rationales of slavery.

    I wonder....are you confusing "taxes" with tariffs placed on imports to pay for the War of 1812?
    Yes she is.
    And those Tariffs hurt the South because they depended upon those products from overseas, and those products now had to be purchased for a higher price due to the tariffs, which had a greater effect on the economy of the south.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You asked the percentages, I just don't know, and no one probably does. If not telling you what you want to hear bothers you, well I tell it as is
    You are not reading my posts, I asked you what percent of segregationists voted for Thurmond...because you brought it up:

    Someone mentioned Strom Thurmond so I merely reminded them that he was not the only one who switched parties. But there must have been more segregationists in this state than I know about because he managed to get reelected about 5 danged times.

    You admit there were a lot of them, I just hoped you had some insight into the level of support he had among segregationists, which is why I asked you to elaborate.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes she is.
    And those Tariffs hurt the South because they depended upon those products from overseas, and those products now had to be purchased for a higher price due to the tariffs, which had a greater effect on the economy of the south.
    Um, actually, the whole idea is to cause imports to be more costly than the domestic supply. If they were not purchasing the domestic, then they have no one to blame but themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Sorry, I missed that, Haymarket. But since she doesn't seem to have a problem repeating her revisionist history, it shouldn't hurt to keep repeating the truth and correcting her whenever and as much as possible.


    edit: actually I posted Stephan's quote before you did, which why I missed it. So please don't think I was ignoring you.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    People on both sides of the Mason Dixon had no care for the well being of the black man, nor believed him to be equal to the white man.

    They did, however, just a few decades prior to the civil war come to a "moral epiphany" if you will (mostly due to the fact that their industrial economy no longer required slaves) that slavery was "teh evil" (which it is), and thus the south (whose farming economy depended on it) needed to quit it as well.

    Slavery and Racism are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. The fact that the North decided to give up slavery shortly before the Civil War doesn't mean they suddenly became non-racist people.

    I think somehow through the focus on the South and its slavery, history has attempted to compartmentalize all of this country's racism during the civil war into the south.
    This is just a non-sequitur, it is an apology of Confederacy, your usual rhetorical bs.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    This is just a non-sequitur, it is an apology of Confederacy, your usual rhetorical bs.
    So, when faced with the fact that racism wasn't at the root of issues between the north and south, as both sides were racist against the black man.... you decide to claim this...



    And then tuck tail and run.


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