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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, then you have completely lost track of everything.....because this entire debate is about the state endorsement of a symbol representing those that defended the Confederate government.

    Way to defeat your position:
    I see you have still avoided my calls for you to explain yourself beyond "Self-Evident"

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    So much ado about nothing. It smells of desperation to appease, in my opinion.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I see you have still avoided my calls for you to explain yourself beyond "Self-Evident"
    I see you have still avoided my explanations to you to explain beyond the "Self-Evident".

    But then....that is all in reference to the Confederate Government......which you don't care about.......so if you don't care about the central points......WTF are you doing here?
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see you have still avoided my explanations to you to explain beyond the "Self-Evident".

    But then....that is all in reference to the Confederate Government......which you don't care about.......so if you don't care about the central points......WTF are you doing here?
    Actually... I quoted all of your responses in a thread you apparently ignored.....

    Im done with you.... come back when you have something more to show than,

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Actually... I quoted all of your responses in a thread you apparently ignored.....
    I saw it, you decided to enlarge the parts you only focused upon. This proves my point.

    Im done with you.... come back when you have something more to show than (invalid)
    Someday you might learn that straw is not a way to win argument.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So you can't explain how. Just "well.... its like, obvious and like... stufff... doh!"

    If anyone thinks that the flag being on a flag pole on "state grounds" somehow made its use my racist morons "legitimate"..... I say that a person who thinks that way is a ****ing idiot.

    So, I ask again... how is this going to improve race relations?
    Nobody knows how the removal of the flag will pan out or effect race relations. But I think it's removal off government property might help show more respect for the country and a good start to putting the tainted past behind.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    Removing it does what? For those in this country who are still ruled by an ignorant hatred of people of another color it will not change anything. They are still going to hate, they are still going to fly it in their yard or on their vehicle and for those who do so out of a pride in their southern heritage and ancestry will be lumped into the "ignorant racist" category.

    When people give in to the race baiters and hate mongers who want to create controversy over a piece of cloth they are doing nothing more than taking the easy way out. That is how the left is winning, call someone a racist or a homophobe and they quickly give in to what ever silly request you have.
    It would seem for some people that you cannot acknowledge known historical facts about the Confederacy, slavery, racists, anti Americans, and their direct involvement with the rebel/Confederate battle flag without being called a Leftist or politically correct or whatever lame excuse for flying a flag that is the direct representation of a army formed to overthrow the USA. Doesnt it strike anyone as being unpatriotic?

    I stand for the right of every American individual to fly whatever silly flag that they want. I also assert that public buildings should not fly a flag that represents the Confederacy unless its a museum of some sort. This is the USA not the CSA.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Absolutely nothing. And I have agreed that it should be removed from all state flag poles. If that is what the people of that state wish.

    However, people thinking it is going to change a damned thing are delusional.

    It is political gesturing... nothing more.
    Ok then why should the Confederate battle flag be removed from State flag poles if it has no effect on anything?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And that is the core point. Though I am convicnmed that the CSA's view of the federal govement matches that of the founding fathers (confederation of autonomous states), the CSA battle flag was flown at state houses or added to state flags simply to piss off blacks.

    CSA battle flags flown over, or very close to state houses do nothing for race relationships. Though the government is not obligated to enhance or "enhance" race relationships, it should neither go out of the way to damage them. Flying the flag over a state house represents the state. In short, the CSA flag should be removed from state houses, though not from state war memorials, historical parks. Likewise, all forts schools etc. named for CSA figures should stay as is.
    I dont at all think that the CSA equates the framers views. In fact that is laughable.


    If there is a legit purpose for flying a confederate flag or any other enemies flags on State property it should still meet the requirements in the US Flag Code. But it isnt just up to the State what flags they can fly on their public buildings. The US Flag Code has some definite restrictions. After all no actual American wants to see a unpatriotic flag display that they payed for through taxes.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Ok then why should the Confederate battle flag be removed from State flag poles if it has no effect on anything?
    Because the only thing that belongs on the state flag pole is the Flag of the United States and The Flag of the State. No more no less.

    The Confederate Battle Flag does not belong on the State Flag Pole because the Civil War is over, no more battle is occurring, and the CSA (a long defunct nation) does not require official representation on the state flag pole.


    Has nothing to do with improving race relations.... as it will not do that in any way.

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