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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not necessarily, but that doesn't mean much considering there wasn't as much of an economic incentive to keep slaves around in the north as there was in the south. However, there was enough of a movement to keep the underground railroad operating... so there is that...



    Interesting for you to bring up my having been a cop (yes, past tense) as some sort of pathetic excuse for a personal attack....

    Because in my experiences, I have seen people who would rather be in jail (no freedom) and be fed than be on the streets (free) and be starving.

    So.... while "principle" of your statement is true... and I concur.... however there are many who are actually in such dire straits (not those of us just talking about it) that may not necessarily agree with us.

    Unless you've been so downtrodden you don't even know where your next meal is coming from..... you'll never really know.
    Been there, done that. I have had periods of my life when I didn't know if I'd eat, and sometimes didn't.

    And no, it wasn't a personal attack, pathetic or otherwise... It genuinely concerned me. Cops are supposed to defend people's rights and freedom, not take them away arbitrarily. It just seemed odd that you would proffer that slavery wasn't so bad.

    I've actually enjoyed our exchanges.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    [QUOTE=Occam's Razor;1064755208]Don't include me in with "those" in the north.. The secession of the south was all about slavery, the economy it provided and the political class that defended it. Was there a large abolitionist movement in the south as there was in the northern?

    As for being better off as slaves... No one is better off if they are owned by someone else. I would rather starve and be free than to be "well taken care of" property. Regardless, a few well taken care of slaves does not justifying the atrocities perpetrated on many... Even if one, resulting from systemic slavery.

    slavery had to become the issue as a way to get tzar nicholas to send a naval blockade, to keep ships from supplying the south also it was thought the english people wouldnt fight a war for slavery. the issue of slavery was just a tool to manipulate the outcome of the war. europe later paid for what they did.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Been there, done that. I have had periods of my life when I didn't know if I'd eat, and sometimes didn't.

    And no, it wasn't a personal attack, pathetic or otherwise... It genuinely concerned me. Cops are supposed to defend people's rights and freedom, not take them away arbitrarily. It just seemed odd that you would proffer that slavery wasn't so bad.

    I've actually enjoyed our exchanges.
    I think you've misunderstood my position on bringing that up....
    I at no point was claiming that I accept slavery as a "good thing" or that isn't wasn't bad......
    Just trying to look at reality from a viewpoint more realistic than "on the principle" of the matter.
    As for taking away rights arbitrarily.... How exactly am I doing that by trying to empathize with a position of the most extreme level of poverty imaginable?

    And.... I know you aren't trying to compare your not having money for food a few nights with having No assets except rag clothing..... no family with any assets.... no job.... and in a time and place that didn't happen to take care of poor people like we do today (with soup kitchens and shelters and such)..... plus being set loose in a land where you don't really know what all is out there.... have no way of getting around except your feet.... and nobody likes you because of the color of your skin.

    Try to actually put yourself in their sho...... their bare feet for a moment... Not just "in principle" but also imagine yourself in the same time period and place.

    For just a moment..... it might be easy to believe that freedom isn't all its cracked up to be. (Disclaimer: I am not saying that slavery is preferential to freedom) (I also find it pathetic I have to add stupid ****ing disclaimers to my posts).

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wow. Seriously?
    Yes. They are members of the United States of America. Free speech allows individuals to fly it. The govt. shouldn't be endorsing that flag. It's a necessary step towards improving race relations. It represents treason. I'd cut federal funding to states that fly that flag.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yes. They are members of the United States of America. Free speech allows individuals to fly it. The govt. shouldn't be endorsing that flag. It's a necessary step towards improving race relations. It represents treason. I'd cut federal funding to states that fly that flag.
    I just looked this up and found no spot for the CF to legally be flown... interesting:

    http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/pbs/GSA_...07_w013108.pdf

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yes. They are members of the United States of America. Free speech allows individuals to fly it. The govt. shouldn't be endorsing that flag. It's a necessary step towards improving race relations. It represents treason. I'd cut federal funding to states that fly that flag.
    A display of history is worthy of treason.... Wow.

    No.. the government shouldn't be displaying it on their official flag pole.... if they wanted to take it down and display it in a case inside the state house with a little plague about the state's involvement in the civil war, that is perfectly reasonable.

    As far as a "necessary step towards improving race relations" you are absolutely fooling yourself if you think the race mongers out there give two ****ing ****s about this. They will view it as a victory and continue to push harder towards the next thing that the rest of society will have to tip toe around in order to prevent from "OFFENDDDDDDIIIINGGG" someone. Only absolute morons think something like this is going to change race relations in the U.S.

    There will still be ignorant racists sons o' bitches and ignorant race baiting morons out there.... one way or another. It won't change a single opinion.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I just looked this up and found no spot for the CF to legally be flown... interesting:

    http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/pbs/GSA_...07_w013108.pdf
    The GSA has nothing to do with state governments...........

    The GSA basically runs logistical management for various Federal Government Agencies.........

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    A display of history is worthy of treason.... Wow.

    No.. the government shouldn't be displaying it on their official flag pole.... if they wanted to take it down and display it in a case inside the state house with a little plague about the state's involvement in the civil war, that is perfectly reasonable.

    As far as a "necessary step towards improving race relations" you are absolutely fooling yourself if you think the race mongers out there give two ****ing ****s about this. They will view it as a victory and continue to push harder towards the next thing that the rest of society will have to tip toe around in order to prevent from "OFFENDDDDDDIIIINGGG" someone. Only absolute morons think something like this is going to change race relations in the U.S.

    There will still be ignorant racists sons o' bitches and ignorant race baiting morons out there.... one way or another. It won't change a single opinion.
    I am going to disagree here. The government should not be flying any flag other than the state and national flags, period. I mean you put a cross on government property and people go ape ****. A confederate battle flag is however OK? Make a cross on a state flagg and again with the faggotry. Put a stars and bars and it's OK?

    Makes no sense, none.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I am going to disagree here. The government should not be flying any flag other than the state and national flags, period. I mean you put a cross on government property and people go ape ****. A confederate battle flag is however OK? Make a cross on a state flagg and again with the faggotry. Put a stars and bars and it's OK?

    Makes no sense, none.
    Apparently you didn't read my post at all. Lets try again... I'll add emphasis to the part you totally ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine
    A display of history is worthy of treason.... Wow.

    No.. the government shouldn't be displaying it on their official flag pole.... if they wanted to take it down and display it in a case inside the state house with a little plague about the state's involvement in the civil war, that is perfectly reasonable.

    As far as a "necessary step towards improving race relations" you are absolutely fooling yourself if you think the race mongers out there give two ****ing ****s about this. They will view it as a victory and continue to push harder towards the next thing that the rest of society will have to tip toe around in order to prevent from "OFFENDDDDDDIIIINGGG" someone. Only absolute morons think something like this is going to change race relations in the U.S.

    There will still be ignorant racists sons o' bitches and ignorant race baiting morons out there.... one way or another. It won't change a single opinion.

    I hope that helped.

    Anything to say about the rest of my post where I point out that this is a symbolic gesture that does nothing for race relations????

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Apparently you didn't read my post at all. Lets try again... I'll add emphasis to the part you totally ignored.




    I hope that helped.

    Anything to say about the rest of my post where I point out that this is a symbolic gesture that does nothing for race relations????
    That's awkward. I meant to say agree not disagree. Sorry it happens when posting to more than one person.

    Of course instead of asking me what I meant you just assumed the worst and treat me like an asshole. No problem.

    Typical.
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