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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Netscape View Post
    Keep the flag. Most people who fly the flag today don't support slavery or racism, but instead use it to honor their ancestors or culture. Even if they did support racism or slavery, it still shouldn't be abolished. Freedom of speech is more important than protecting people's feelings.
    So whose feelings would be hurt by taking the flag down? I really don't see many on the right recognizing the call for removing the flag as free speech. Apparently, it's only free speech when the right does it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    .....I agree with those who think the Confederate flag should be in a museum. But what I have a real problem with is the revisionist history being portrayed by those on the left. Either be willing to tell history honestly and stop the revisionism or shut up and sit down.
    The South fought the Civil War to keep slavery....


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't think anyone wants to erase history. It happened. We should acknowledge that, and learn from it. But there is a big gap between erasing history and glorifying the mistakes our country made. Slavery happened, the civil war happened, flying a flag representing that era like a symbol of pride is unacceptable.
    I have to disagree, although I appreciate your tone. Just because one military entity/nation/whatever defeats another in battle, doesn't mean the victor should strip the defeated of symbols or culture the victor doesn't like.

    We've all agreed that the Confederate flag has been misused by extremists, but relegating it as only a racist symbol will hurt a lot of people who use it to honor their fallen heroes. Because, keep in mind that even when we determine that one side of a conflict has a greater goal for good - the defeated side is made up of real human beings with real emotions.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

    The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
    If by "States Rights" you mean the states rights to own slaves and maintain racial order then yes, it was about states rights.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    So honestly, I'm still on the fence on this issue. The politically correct culture that is evolving and growing, especially on the left, is out of control.

    When it comes to the Confederate flag, I haven't really figured out in my head, what the real issue is here.

    The flag is a flag. I would't say that it's on the same level as symbols like the swastika, or the cross, symbols that clearly represent an ideology.

    Though whites in the south did own slaves (and the north), I don't think that the flag is self was, at the time, representative specifically of that ideal. However, I think the flag and what it represents in more modern times has come to represent something different.

    It is the same with the swastika. I lived in a house built in the early 1920's. Much to my surprise there were several swastikas on the foundation and in the attic. When I researched this I found that the origins of the swastika on housing during construction was because the symbol was meant as a good luck charm. It laterally means "well-being".

    But if I few a flag over my house today with a swastika on it, even if I explained I was flying it based on it's pre-German interpretation of it, people would be offended and question my motivations for flying it, no matter what my true intentions. Is it really that important for me to dig my heels in and assert my right to fly a flag that I know directly offends people, and worse brings out racist notions based on it's dark history?

    I lean toward removal of state sponsorship of the symbol, after all, the Confederate flag is one of millions of symbols that can be used, but my only misgiving the the pandering to the militant politically correct crowd and really just need to separate in my own mind how this is different than other arguments based solely on political correctness.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Then why do Democrat politicians do it?

    You do realize it was a Democrat governor of South Carolina who first raised the Confederate flag over the state house don't you? His name is Ernest Fritz Hollings. He used to be the governor, he put it up. Later he became a U.S. Democrat Senator representing South Carolina.

    But he wasn't the only governor of our time that celebrated the confederacy. Bill and Hill Clinton did too while he was governor of Arkansas. In 1987, while governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton signed Act 116 that stated “The blue star above the word “ARKANSAS” is to commemorate the Confederate States of America.”



    But then again one person Clinton portrayed as his mentor from Arkansas was Senator J. William Fulbright, a proud segregationist!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

    But speaking of Arkansas, another famous Democrat Senator from Arkansas, was Al Gore's father. He too was a segregationist. He was in office during the vote of the Civil Rights bill and voted against it like most the Dixiecrats. (Southern Democrats) And just a stone's throw away in West Virginia was Democrat Senator (Sheets) Byrd....not just a member of the KKK but one of their grand wizard types. Ole President Johnson was indebted to the Republicans in getting the Civil Rights Act passed and made that publically known as the Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats) tried to thwart it every way they could muster.

    I agree with those who think the Confederate flag should be in a museum. But what I have a real problem with is the revisionist history being portrayed by those on the left. Either be willing to tell history honestly and stop the revisionism or shut up and sit down.
    First, Where did I say that this was a Republican-only issue? Secondly, what do you consider revisionist history? I'm curious. Thirdly, I'm not on the left.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The South fought the Civil War to keep slavery....


    The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
    Someone posted yesterday (in one of the million threads about this ) a list of the states who went to war with the North, and their reasons for doing so, and the reasons were for slavery (and this came from the states themselves). So you can tell them until you are blue in the face that the States went to war over slavery, and people are going to plug their ears and believe what they choose. Facts are irrelevant.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The South fought the Civil War to keep slavery....


    The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
    What's your point?
    Slavery was brought to this country by the immigrants who moved here. It was a practice accepted throughout the known world regardless of skin color. Even those who sold the slaves to the slave merchants earmarked for our shores were as dark skinned as the people they sold.

    The left likes to talk a lot about "subjective" morality. That no one has the right to set objective morality for another. Well these folks didn't see anything wrong with slavery. It was a way of life they had been taught in another country. King George encouraged it because the more the colonies produced, the more money he collected. But the movement to stop the practice in this country started in the 1700's by church leaders, their congregations and the politicians they elected.

    After the Civil War something wonderful changed and that is Blacks were being elected to office to represent their constituents.During Reconstruction, some 2,000 African Americans held public office, from the local level all the way up to the U.S. Senate, though they never achieved representation in government proportionate to their numbers.
    Black Leaders During Reconstruction - American Civil War - HISTORY.com

    Race relations continued to heal till Democrat Woodrow Wilson became president. Things went from Blacks being elected in the South to public office to that big elitist segregationist Wilson segregating the Federal offices in government making black folks work separately from whites. The Dixiecrats (Southern Democrat politicians) had a real friend in Woodrow Wilson. Much of the progress made in race relations because of that bozo were lost. Ironically the years of Wilson's presidency are called the Progressive Era.

    Fast forward to the Civil Rights movement. The Dixiecrat elites had a stronghold on the Southern states and did everything they could to thwart the passage of the Civil Rights bill. Their unwillingness to approve Civil rights legislation started long before President Johnson. It began when Eisenhower and Republicans brought the matter before Congress. They were successful in thwarting it until Republicans in Congress working with Democrats in favor of the civil rights bill that eventually garnered enough votes for passage. It was a Republican who penned the final bill that was passed into law and signed by President Johnson. And President Johnson certainly gave the Republicans the credit for its passage.
    What you might not know about the 1964 Civil Rights Act - CNNPolitics.com

    But today the rhetoric spewing out of the left is a real fairytale. They have proven they are willing to take race baiting to an all time new level to camouflage the truth and the wall of shame that has taken them over a century to build.

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