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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

    The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
    The South seceded because Lincoln won the presidency. So, if you want to call leaving the union because you are unhappy with the election "state's rights" then you are correct. But, of course, we all know states can't do that. So, there's a one state right denied.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?
    At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
    THe Confederate flag represents losers. It's like wearing a Cubs hat in Yankee stadium.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

    I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
    Nope, the American flag represents the ability to rise above our current condition, to move our society from the old ways to the vision of liberty and freedom for all. It stands for the ability to be able to say, we got that wrong now we're going to try to get it right.

    The confederate flag stands for an economic and social system entirely dependent on slave labor. For taking a juxtaposed view of our founding documents.. That they only apply to some.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
    you're free to your opinion....

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.
    flags don't fight wars.... people do.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    i don't live in SC, so i didn't vote in the poll. what they want to do is up to them.

    as for the flag itself, i'll say this : some might say it's remembering their heritage; others would argue that it's a symbol of fighting for states' rights against an oppressive federal government. i'm not arguing that it isn't both of these things to some degree. however, the symbol has been coopted and basically ruined by racist assholes. when i see a Confederate flag on a truck or on the front porch of a house, i know with 95+ percent certainty exactly what it means and why it's there. so does any black American who sees it. these aren't history buffs; they are racists, and the message is that they don't like racial minorities. there's very little chance that this particular symbol will be looked at by most people as anything other than an expression of racism. that's how i see the situation. as for states that want to argue that it means something else, if they want to leave it up, i'm not going to climb the statehouse and pull it down.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there's no need to remove it at all.
    the flag didn't do anything wrong...the flag didn't cause anyone to do anything wrong.
    I agree, the flag did not in itself cause anything. But it appears to be a real source of contention based on what it represents, so leave it to the private individual to deal with and get the States out of the mix.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Abolished, no. Removed from State sponsorship, yes.
    This.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?
    Yes, but it's OUR symbol of racism and segregation.
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