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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    The 3/5th clause was about reapportionment.

    The North did not want the slaves counted - because they were property, much as a horse or cow was property.

    In fact at the Constitutional Convention, some Northern reps even argued if property could be counted for reapportionment, why not their own horses?

    The south wanted full count to beef up their numbers in Congress, which it did -- they just didn't want those same people -- er, property, to vote or to actually have representation.

    That would kinda jam up their plans.

    It was a compromise - because the southerners said they would not ratify the Constitution if they could not give their slave property at least 3/5ths representation in Congress.

    Without giving them representation. They used their slaves as hostages to the negotiation.


    Then the South went on to dominate congress for near all of the first quarter of our history.
    Which would make some of the comments here offered about the 3/5ths compromise a little disconnected from the facts then....yes?

    Kinda the point.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    No.


    If the South considered them as only chattel property - why do they count as a human only when the census is concerned?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Sounds like you're trying to make the case for them to have remained enslaved.

    How many more generations should they have endured having their children, and their children's children ripped away from them,

    their bodies put up on action blocks and sold like cattle?

    their women raped legally by the slavers, most all slaves were whipped, and brutalized...

    None legally allowed to be even married. Bred like livestock.

    How many more generations to endure not even being citizens in the country they were born in?
    Very similar to the standards under which peasants in large areas all around the world had been living for centuries at that time, the main difference being that these slaves were better fed. The remarkable things were that they were freed and that that was done so poorly.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Wow.

    I didn't think I'd be running into a slavery apologist here.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Wow.

    I didn't think I'd be running into a slavery apologist here.
    That's quite a leap you're making.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Did your granddaddy tell you what the 3/5ths compromise is?
    Of course I know what the 3/5ths compromise was, a way to keep the South from getting the upper hand in Congress by allowing slaves to actually count as people.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Of course I know what the 3/5ths compromise was, a way to keep the South from getting the upper hand in Congress by allowing slaves to actually count as people.


    So wrong. Soo, so very wrong, comically wrong.

    So often.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Um.

    1. Many of those skyscrapers are in Midtown Atlanta, most of which were built in recent decades. Midtown looked like **** half a century ago.
    2. Pan that camera 90 degrees to the west and travel one mile. Now let's see how the two neighborhoods look.
    The reference to Sherman simply meant to highlight the irony that Detroit is closer to the Atlanta of 1865 than Atlanta is. I mean, yeah, Detroit has Quicken Loans and skyscrapers in its downtown core, BUT the point of juxtaposing the photos was Atlanta is a vibrant, expanding city and serves as the headquarters for a growing stable of Fortune 500 companies while Detroit is shadow of its former self--crime ridden, bankrupt, and just, well, small. Vast swaths of Detroit look like Berlin in 1945. These two cities are metaphors for what's happening across the North and the South as a whole. Businesses, retirees, entire families are fleeing the high taxes, living costs, and cold of the North for the warmer temperatures and lower living and business costs in the South. So, honestly, while the North may have "won" the war, the South seems to have been the major beneficiary of it.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    The reference to Sherman simply meant to highlight the irony that Detroit is closer to the Atlanta of 1865 than Atlanta is. I mean, yeah, Detroit has Quicken Loans and skyscrapers in its downtown core, BUT the point of juxtaposing the photos was Atlanta is a vibrant, expanding city and serves as the headquarters for a growing stable of Fortune 500 companies while Detroit is shadow of its former self--crime ridden, bankrupt, and just, well, small. Vast swaths of Detroit look like Berlin in 1945. These two cities are metaphors for what's happening across the North and the South as a whole. Businesses, retirees, entire families are fleeing the high taxes, living costs, and cold of the North for the warmer temperatures and lower living and business costs in the South. So, honestly, while the North may have "won" the war, the South seems to have been the major beneficiary of it.
    Maybe you should come down to Atlanta, and you'll see what I mean. That beautiful Downtown/Midtown skyline--and that one I will give you--belies the fact that, as I tried to gently point out in my previous post, wealth inequality is a serious problem there, just as it is across most if not all of America. Atlanta has incredible mansions, for example, in the Buckhead region, which exist only a few miles from the west side of town, where you can find a lot of poverty. You want wealth, you want poverty, we've got both. Furthermore, the recent "vibrancy" of Atlanta, as you call it, is a two-headed coin: Yes they have a lot of building projects, the Beltline, gentrification, etc., but that gentrification is coming at the expense of displacing those who cannot afford basic housing. So what happens? Some of that poverty gets pushed into the suburbs. South Cobb, southwest Gwinnett, etc. are seeing large swaths of poverty, where even 30 years ago there was not nearly as much. Simply put, playing whack-a-mole with poverty does not solve it. Nor does cutting taxes on the rich, otherwise states such as Louisiana and Mississippi would be prosperous.

    P.S. Georgia has the second-worst unemployment rate in the nation, only ahead of, surprise surprise, Mississippi. These have been Republican-controlled states ever since the mass exodus of the Dixiecrats to the Democratic party. And oh, yeah, Michigan is Republican-controlled, too, yet it also has bad unemployment. Could it be that cutting taxes on the richest people is not the silver bullet that we have been told for decades?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post


    So wrong. Soo, so very wrong, comically wrong.

    So often.
    Yes revisionists like you are but then again with the educational climate in this country I am not surprised.
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