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Are American Gun Laws "Normal" compared to other 1st World Nations?

Are American Gun Laws "Normal" compared to other 1st World Nations?

  • No US gun Laws aren't normal by comparison

    Votes: 17 81.0%

  • Yes US gun laws are normal by comparison

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Total voters
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The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws - Business Insider

The world is 'mystified' by America's 'bizarre' gun laws

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BEIJING (AP) — Often the target of U.S. human rights accusations, China wasted little time returning such charges following the shooting at a historic black church in South Carolina that left nine people dead. Elsewhere, the attack renewed perceptions that Americans have too many guns and have yet to overcome racial tensions.

Some said the attack reinforced their reservations about personal security in the U.S. — particularly as a non-white foreigner — while others said they'd still feel safe if they were to visit.

Especially in Australia and northeast Asia, where firearms are strictly controlled and gun violence almost unheard of, many were baffled by the determination among many Americans to own guns despite repeated mass shootings, such as the 2012 tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

"We don't understand America's need for guns," said Philip Alpers, director of the University of Sydney's GunPolicy.org project that compares gun laws across the world. "It is very puzzling for non-Americans."

A frontier nation like the U.S., Australia had a similar attitude toward firearms prior to a 1996 mass shooting that killed 35. Soon after, tight restrictions on gun ownership were imposed and no such incidents have been reported since.
 
Am I the only one that thinks the question is flawed?

Of course "US gun Laws aren't normal by comparison," they cannot be. These other nations we are compared to do not have the same Constitutional phrased rights on gun ownership that we do. How could our laws be more uniform to other nations, written in those terms they would all be violations of the US Constitution.
 
Interesting that Business Insider, a conservative news site, ran this article. Something to note. Maybe things are culturally changing after all.
 
Unaffiliated said:
Interesting that Business Insider, a conservative news site, ran this article. Something to note. Maybe things are culturally changing after all.
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They are, more Americans support gun rights and self defense then ever before and gun ownership is on the rise according to pew.
 
I don't give a tinker's damn how some other country chooses to regulate firearms, or whether some foreigners "don't understand America's need for guns." They don't need to understand it. Nor does any American need to explain or justify it to them. Americans are not governed by foreign laws, but by the Constitution of the United States.
 
Unaffiliated said:
I know. It's simply the "relic cultures" of bygone times that can't accept modernity.
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There is nothing inherently modern or not about firearms legislation.
 
Unaffiliated said:
The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws - Business Insider

The world is 'mystified' by America's 'bizarre' gun laws

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BEIJING (AP) — Often the target of U.S. human rights accusations, China wasted little time returning such charges following the shooting at a historic black church in South Carolina that left nine people dead. Elsewhere, the attack renewed perceptions that Americans have too many guns and have yet to overcome racial tensions.

Some said the attack reinforced their reservations about personal security in the U.S. — particularly as a non-white foreigner — while others said they'd still feel safe if they were to visit.

Especially in Australia and northeast Asia, where firearms are strictly controlled and gun violence almost unheard of, many were baffled by the determination among many Americans to own guns despite repeated mass shootings, such as the 2012 tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

"We don't understand America's need for guns," said Philip Alpers, director of the University of Sydney's GunPolicy.org project that compares gun laws across the world. "It is very puzzling for non-Americans."

A frontier nation like the U.S., Australia had a similar attitude toward firearms prior to a 1996 mass shooting that killed 35. Soon after, tight restrictions on gun ownership were imposed and no such incidents have been reported since.
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Our gun laws are not normal by comparison to other countries. Our founders had the sense to not trust government and therefore enshrined the right to be able to keep and bear arms. It amuses me that anti-2nd amendment loons often cite Australia as a gun control example while claiming no one is trying to take away your guns.
 
Unaffiliated said:
The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws - Business Insider

The world is 'mystified' by America's 'bizarre' gun laws

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BEIJING (AP) — Often the target of U.S. human rights accusations, China wasted little time returning such charges following the shooting at a historic black church in South Carolina that left nine people dead. Elsewhere, the attack renewed perceptions that Americans have too many guns and have yet to overcome racial tensions.

Some said the attack reinforced their reservations about personal security in the U.S. — particularly as a non-white foreigner — while others said they'd still feel safe if they were to visit.

Especially in Australia and northeast Asia, where firearms are strictly controlled and gun violence almost unheard of, many were baffled by the determination among many Americans to own guns despite repeated mass shootings, such as the 2012 tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

"We don't understand America's need for guns," said Philip Alpers, director of the University of Sydney's GunPolicy.org project that compares gun laws across the world. "It is very puzzling for non-Americans."

A frontier nation like the U.S., Australia had a similar attitude toward firearms prior to a 1996 mass shooting that killed 35. Soon after, tight restrictions on gun ownership were imposed and no such incidents have been reported since.
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your graph is flawed,it shows homices per 100k not gun homicides per 100k.second it graph itself is false,as america is much lower on that list,meaning the person who wrote the graph intentionally left out russia,el salvador honduras etc including many other countries.

by a chart of gun ownership to gun crime,quite a few countries beat us in homicide and homicide by gun rate even with complete bans.

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org
 
More than normal - necessary.
 
Here we go again. I will always want the ability to defend myself, my family, and my rights. I will also fight and die for the sheep as well.
 
Unaffiliated said:
The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws - Business Insider

The world is 'mystified' by America's 'bizarre' gun laws


BEIJING (AP) — Often the target of U.S. human rights accusations, China wasted little time returning such charges following the shooting at a historic black church in South Carolina that left nine people dead. Elsewhere, the attack renewed perceptions that Americans have too many guns and have yet to overcome racial tensions.

Some said the attack reinforced their reservations about personal security in the U.S. — particularly as a non-white foreigner — while others said they'd still feel safe if they were to visit.

Especially in Australia and northeast Asia, where firearms are strictly controlled and gun violence almost unheard of, many were baffled by the determination among many Americans to own guns despite repeated mass shootings, such as the 2012 tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

"We don't understand America's need for guns," said Philip Alpers, director of the University of Sydney's GunPolicy.org project that compares gun laws across the world. "It is very puzzling for non-Americans."

A frontier nation like the U.S., Australia had a similar attitude toward firearms prior to a 1996 mass shooting that killed 35. Soon after, tight restrictions on gun ownership were imposed and no such incidents have been reported since.
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there's no reason to be "mystified"...all they have to do is read our Constitution...
...then go piss up a rope.
 
The Communist Party of China is wrong and tyrannical to restrict the unalienable rights of its citizens in so many ways, including the restriction of the relevant human rights to liberty, property, self-defense.


It is not just that we have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms - Chinese citizens have a human right to keep and bear arms that their government violates. It is their right - and their duty - to fight for their rights and replace their government. If they wear their chains in comfort, that's on them.
 
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The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws - Business Insider

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·[/indent]BEIJING (AP) — Often the target of U.S. human rights accusations, China wasted little time returning such charges following the shooting at a historic black church in South Carolina that left nine people dead. Elsewhere, the attack renewed perceptions that Americans have too many guns and have yet to overcome racial tensions.

Some said the attack reinforced their reservations about personal security in the U.S. — particularly as a non-white foreigner — while others said they'd still feel safe if they were to visit.

Especially in Australia and northeast Asia, where firearms are strictly controlled and gun violence almost unheard of, many were baffled by the determination among many Americans to own guns despite repeated mass shootings, such as the 2012 tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

"We don't understand America's need for guns," said Philip Alpers, director of the University of Sydney's GunPolicy.org project that compares gun laws across the world. "It is very puzzling for non-Americans."

A frontier nation like the U.S., Australia had a similar attitude toward firearms prior to a 1996 mass shooting that killed 35. Soon after, tight restrictions on gun ownership were imposed and no such incidents have been reported since.
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Are you aware that in Switzerland (very low on the graphic/list that you present) and also in the Netherlands (just above Switzerland) every man between the age of, I think, 18 and 45, is a member of their army, and is issued a true assault rifle, capable of fully automatic operation, which he keeps at his home along with a supply of ammunition? If there was any validity to the point you're trying to make, then Switzerland and the Netherlands would both have to have much higher homicide rates than the U.S.
 
The right to have a chainsaw is not a right to cut folks up with that chainsaw. The right to carry a concealed "rape tool" (penis) is not the right to commit rape. The right to purchase flammable liquids in "to go" containers is not the right to commit arson. When will we ever get an honest assessment of this basic fact?
 
I believe some of our gun laws (or perhaps more accurately, lack thereof), and our gun culture, do indeed lapse behind much of the civilized world.

But we got this little thing called a Constitution, which is different than most everyone else too.
 
No they are not since the rest of the world does not have the USC.
 
jamesrage said:
Our gun laws are not normal by comparison to other countries. Our founders had the sense to not trust government and therefore enshrined the right to be able to keep and bear arms. It amuses me that anti-2nd amendment loons often cite Australia as a gun control example while claiming no one is trying to take away your guns.
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The Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they could see what we have seen on CNN the last couple of years or even weeks. Guns aren't the problem, our people are becoming barbarians. We are turning into Russia... but instead of corrupt thugs, it will be savage loons.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Am I the only one that thinks the question is flawed?

Of course "US gun Laws aren't normal by comparison," they cannot be. These other nations we are compared to do not have the same Constitutional phrased rights on gun ownership that we do. How could our laws be more uniform to other nations, written in those terms they would all be violations of the US Constitution.
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It is such a cop out to blame those terrible homicide statistics on the Constitution. The people that wrote it are long dead and the world they wrote it in is long gone. We have only ourselves to blame. It is our country now.
 
iguanaman said:
It is such a cop out to blame those terrible homicide statistics on the Constitution. The people that wrote it are long dead and the world they wrote it in is long gone. We have only ourselves to blame. It is our country now.
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Right. And our country is governed by law. And that law is the Constitution. Fortunately, those who wrote the document were far brighter than the modern liberal and gave clear instructions on how to alter the document. Please read up on that so you can actually engage in intelligent discourse on the subject.
 
You're looking at the wrong solution to that statistic. The United States does have more liberalized gun laws, and I support that as an advocate for the right of gun ownership. We could be much lower on the list if we had expanded access to mental healthcare, which would do a lot more to reduce occurrences of violence.
 
iguanaman said:
It is such a cop out to blame those terrible homicide statistics on the Constitution. The people that wrote it are long dead and the world they wrote it in is long gone. We have only ourselves to blame. It is our country now.
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That is a first, to suggest the Constitution is a cop out. That said, it is a document that can be changed. Best of luck to you on getting the 2nd Amendment removed.
 
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