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Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?[W:29]

Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

  • American Suburban Women are Conservative Voters

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • American Suburban Women are Liberal Voters

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • Total voters
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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope, they don't. Married women are still more Democrat than Republican. I've posted the many survey results showing this before on Ryan's threads "asking" this same question.
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Cool I didn't catch them. I googled it quickly and came up with this: Put a Ring on It: Obama Wins Women, but Not the Married Types - ABC News

Married women picked Romney over Obama it seems.

Regardless, if it were up to me, women wouldn't be voting anyway. But I'm old fashioned.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Redress said:
There is far more to economic risk taking than investment patterns. Many women who are involved in economic decisions do not invest in the stock market, or only do so through a 401k. You are trying to take a specific group of women, and assume that the actions they take are representative of all women, and that simply does not work.
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:shrug: If you have any evidence that demonstrates that investment decisions are a particular outlier in women's economic risk aversion, please present it.

You don't, mind you, which is why you are reduced to not being able to make any actual counter arguments yourself.

No, but understand that investing in the stock market is selecting a certain group based on the actions they take, and assuming that how they take those actions applies to all. That does not work well.
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We are studying the economic risk aversion of women - it comes back with a result that women are more risk averse. If you think that is untrue, then demonstrate it.

Well, no. Not only are you making generalizations about a large group based on a specific subset of that groups actions, you have then assumed that this is the motivation for unrelated actions. That is what is known as a non sequitur. It does not follow.
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On the contrary, there is a clear logical link between higher economic risk aversion and voting for the party that also presents higher economic risk aversion.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
Cool I didn't catch them. I googled it quickly and came up with this: Put a Ring on It: Obama Wins Women, but Not the Married Types - ABC News

Married women picked Romney over Obama it seems.

Regardless, if it were up to me, women wouldn't be voting anyway. But I'm old fashioned.
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That's only because older people show up to the polls more. Total, married women are still liberal leaning.

Yes, we're aware of your well-reasoned and not at all personal complex-driven views on the subject. :yawn:
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

It depends on how far out in the burbs they live. Older established closer in suburbs are typically going to be liberal while further out newer suburbs are typically going to be conservative.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
Not really true, married women tend to lean republican while unmarried women lean democrat.
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Correct. She's just wrong.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
That's only because older people show up to the polls more. Total, married women are still liberal leaning.

Yes, we're aware of your well-reasoned and not at all personal complex-driven views on the subject. :yawn:
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The simplest way to look at it is ppl who feel like they can't hack it on their own, people who need "help" and a crutch typically vote democrat.

People who believe in being self sufficient, people who are confident in their own abilities and who don't require handouts tend to vote Republican.

Married women are more Republican than unmarried women because they have a husband to take care of them, ie they don't need the government as much.

Your more vulnerable groups....unmarried women, minorities, poor folks, etc....they tend to be your democratic voters.

That's a rule of thumb. Of course there are ideologs who diverge from this model
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Redress said:
He has a long history of trying to understand woman voters, and failing badly. I think his first mistake is he seems to think they do things en masse. The reality of course is much different.
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Don't all people of a certain gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, age group,
Or class always do everything in mass?
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Amazing when liberals try to argue that the red of red suburbs, which are full of women soccer moms and the like, are somehow "Liberal voters" even though those very suburbs almost never go blue for Democrats.


Then again this is the internet full of urban angry single women so this isn't exactly surprising having such inaccurate views pushed so heavily. These are the same urban liberal single women who, and I remember this very well on political forums at the time, were radically insistent that Kerry was going to beat Bush.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
The simplest way to look at it is ppl who feel like they can't hack it on their own, people who need "help" and a crutch typically vote democrat.

People who believe in being self sufficient, people who are confident in their own abilities and who don't require handouts tend to vote Republican.

Married women are more Republican than unmarried women because they have a husband to take care of them, ie they don't need the government as much.

Your more vulnerable groups....unmarried women, minorities, poor folks, etc....they tend to be your democratic voters.

That's a rule of thumb. Of course there are ideologs who diverge from this model
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So people looking for a handout vote Democrat? People who work don't? I don't really lean either way, so don't take it as a liberal jumping defensively here, but where do you come up with this crap?
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
The simplest way to look at it is ppl who feel like they can't hack it on their own, people who need "help" and a crutch typically vote democrat.

People who believe in being self sufficient, people who are confident in their own abilities and who don't require handouts tend to vote Republican.

Married women are more Republican than unmarried women because they have a husband to take care of them, ie they don't need the government as much.

Your more vulnerable groups....unmarried women, minorities, poor folks, etc....they tend to be your democratic voters.

That's a rule of thumb. Of course there are ideologs who diverge from this model
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Ok. Then explain why younger women are overwhelmingly Democrats despite making not only good money, but making considerably more than their male counterparts, and even married women maintain a Democratic lean. That seems to blow your theory out of the water. I mean, you are aware women can have their own incomes now, right? What do they need men for, financially speaking? Most of my gen is making better money than our male peers, and a lot of us have no intention of stopping and sitting at home. When we date or marry, it's sure as hell not for grocery money.

Maybe it's just that women don't care for all the misogynist nonsense Republicans are always spewing? Dunno. That's what my woman-brain is inclined to think, anyway, what with their grossly permissive rape remarks, attacks on all forms of female reproductive healthcare, and hostility towards working women in general. But I suppose they seem overly progressive to you, so you probably don't notice. The mere existence of women in the public world seems to bother you, much less when they compete with you.

Nope, no complex going on with you, none at all... :coffeepap
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
The simplest way to look at it is ppl who feel like they can't hack it on their own, people who need "help" and a crutch typically vote democrat.

People who believe in being self sufficient, people who are confident in their own abilities and who don't require handouts tend to vote Republican.

Married women are more Republican than unmarried women because they have a husband to take care of them, ie they don't need the government as much.

Your more vulnerable groups....unmarried women, minorities, poor folks, etc....they tend to be your democratic voters.

That's a rule of thumb. Of course there are ideologs who diverge from this model
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That is a pretty interesting theory you have there...:) Voters can change their mind right in the voting box. So where would you classify a liberal leaning woman, who is married, educated to the terminal degree, earns 6 figures a year by working 6 days a week, white, and doesn't need anyone to take care of them and is married based on love not need. Does she fit into a pretty little box?
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Kreton said:
So people looking for a handout vote Democrat? People who work don't? I don't really lean either way, so don't take it as a liberal jumping defensively here, but where do you come up with this crap?
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I could prove it to you but it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.

Democrats offer more handouts, so those who are attracted to said handouts are typically going to lean Democrat. Conversely, Repubs don't offer as many handouts. So people who don't need those handouts would be the ones to vote Republican.

People tend to vote out of self interest
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Nursmate said:
That is a pretty interesting theory you have there...:) Voters can change their mind right in the voting box. So where would you classify a liberal leaning woman, who is married, educated to the terminal degree, earns 6 figures a year by working 6 days a week, white, and doesn't need anyone to take care of them and is married based on love not need. Does she fit into a pretty little box?
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Clearly she is looking for a handout and relying on her husband to support her.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Ok. Then explain why younger women are overwhelmingly Democrats despite making not only good money, but making considerably more than their male counterparts, and even married women maintain a Democratic lean. That seems to blow your theory out of the water. I mean, you are aware women can have their own incomes now, right? What do they need men for, financially speaking? Most of my gen is making better money than our male peers, and a lot of us have no intention of stopping and sitting at home. When we date or marry, it's sure as hell not for grocery money.

Maybe it's just that women don't care for all the misogynist nonsense Republicans are always spewing? Dunno. That's what my woman-brain is inclined to think, anyway, what with their grossly permissive rape remarks, attacks on all forms of female reproductive healthcare, and hostility towards working women in general. But I suppose they seem overly progressive to you, so you probably don't notice. The mere existence of women in the public world seems to bother you, much less when they compete with you.

Nope, no complex going on with you, none at all... :coffeepap
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:applaud Too bad I couldn't give you a like!!
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Nursmate said:
That is a pretty interesting theory you have there...:) Voters can change their mind right in the voting box. So where would you classify a liberal leaning woman, who is married, educated to the terminal degree, earns 6 figures a year by working 6 days a week, white, and doesn't need anyone to take care of them and is married based on love not need. Does she fit into a pretty little box?
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You already said she was a liberal.

Outliers exist....I'm talking averages here.

White, wealthy males over the age of 65 tend to vote Republican. Doesn't mean I can't point out some outliers, just pointing out a tendency.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
I could prove it to you but it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.

Democrats offer more handouts, so those who are attracted to said handouts are typically going to lean Democrat. Conversely, Repubs don't offer as many handouts. So people who don't need those handouts would be the ones to vote Republican.

People tend to vote out of self interest
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By your wording above Democrats believe in compassion and helping thier fellow man. And Republicans don't. Which I find funny since Republicans tend to have more of a religious lean, and most religious teach and preach generosity and compassion.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Ok. Then explain why younger women are overwhelmingly Democrats despite making not only good money, but making considerably more than their male counterparts, and even married women maintain a Democratic lean. That seems to blow your theory out of the water. I mean, you are aware women can have their own incomes now, right? What do they need men for, financially speaking? Most of my gen is making better money than our male peers, and a lot of us have no intention of stopping and sitting at home. When we date or marry, it's sure as hell not for grocery money.

Maybe it's just that women don't care for all the misogynist nonsense Republicans are always spewing? Dunno. That's what my woman-brain is inclined to think, anyway, what with their grossly permissive rape remarks, attacks on all forms of female reproductive healthcare, and hostility towards working women in general. But I suppose they seem overly progressive to you, so you probably don't notice. The mere existence of women in the public world seems to bother you, much less when they compete with you.

Nope, no complex going on with you, none at all... :coffeepap
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Now now.

First of all, women don't earn as much as men. Otherwise, you wouldn't hear all this "equal pay" movement nonsense. I believe, and this is my man memory at work here ie I'd have to look it up, women are pulling in around 75 percent what men are.

Anyways, you're asking me to rationalize the erratic behavior of young people. Worse yet, you're asking me to rationalize the behavior of emotional young women. It can't be done, because most of them aren't rational by nature.

Young people and women vote for stupid emotional things like social issues....while more rational and wise people vote with their wallets.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Kreton said:
By your wording above Democrats believe in compassion and helping thier fellow man. And Republicans don't. Which I find funny since Republicans tend to have more of a religious lean, and most religious teach and preach generosity and compassion.
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It's easy to be charitable when you're spending someone else's money
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Kreton said:
............................ since Republicans tend to have more of a religious lean, and most religious teach and preach generosity and compassion.
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Preaching and teaching doesn't hack a darn thing.

;)
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Nursmate said:
:applaud Too bad I couldn't give you a like!!
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You just hit the little "like" button in the bottom corner.

I'll do it for you, in case you need a man's help :cool:
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Kreton said:
By your wording above Democrats believe in compassion and helping thier fellow man. And Republicans don't. Which I find funny since Republicans tend to have more of a religious lean, and most religious teach and preach generosity and compassion.
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some would argue correctly that handouts really don't help and its not compassionate to give away the money of others so the recipients worship you.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Peter Grimm said:
............Anyways, you're asking me to rationalize the erratic behavior of young people. Worse yet, you're asking me to rationalize the behavior of emotional young women. It can't be done, because most of them aren't rational by nature.
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And thar we have it.

Women's place is in bed and they should only be allowed out to let the cold in. Or cook.

Good spanking once a month as well.

Nice to see the intellectual level of this thread finding support.

Young people and women vote for stupid emotional things like social issues....
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People and women. Nice distinction
while more rational and wise people vote with their wallets.
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Sorry to hear you lost yours.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Chagos said:
And thar we have it.

Women's place is in bed and they should only be allowed out to let the cold in. Or cook.

Good spanking once a month as well.

Nice to see the intellectual level of this thread finding support.

People and women. Nice distinction Sorry to hear you lost yours.
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White knights make me laugh. Thanks for the laugh buddy
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

TurtleDude said:
some would argue correctly that handouts really don't help and its not compassionate to give away the money of others so the recipients worship you.
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Correct. If you get brownie points for giving away someone else's money...sign me up
 
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