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Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?[W:29]

Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?


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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

My wife is a suburban soccer mom, a corporate executive, and a conservative who typically votes Republican.

Actually I've never known her to vote anything but.

We've discussed it recently and if Hillary Clinton is in the race in '16 she will unabashedly vote Democrat.

Many, and I mean MANY of her friends and colleagues who are women have similar plans.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

My wife is a suburban soccer mom, a corporate executive, and a conservative who typically votes Republican.

Actually I've never known her to vote anything but.

We've discussed it recently and if Hillary Clinton is in the race in '16 she will unabashedly vote Democrat.

Many, and I mean MANY of her friends and colleagues who are women have similar plans.

Ugh, really? Is it just because Hillary's a woman, or does she actually like her policies?

I really can't stand "identity first" politics.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

The GOP has hardly enamored themselves with women, especially younger women. Romney took a beating in that demographic. It wasn't entirely his fault, some of the comments concerning women from his fellow Republicans were just outright idiotic.

If Hillary is the Dem Nom don't expect the GOP to do better. They'll do much, much worse.
 
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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Ugh, really? Is it just because Hillary's a woman...

That.

I don't love it either, but I can certainly understand it.

If women and/or minorities had held the presidency frequently, or even occasionally, on and off over the course of the last couple hundred years we wouldn't be seeing it, I don't think.

My wife has voted for men in races against women in the past for lesser offices and I'm sure many others have too.

But when the option exists to elect "one of your own" for the first time in this nation's 240 year history I can see why one would want on that wagon.

Especially so when you consider that most elections we're stuck voting for the "best of the worst" rather than someone we'd REALLY like to see become president.

Hell, if I'm stuck with a Hillary-(Enter any currently announced Republican hopeful here) race I may just vote to make history myself.

Actually, I'll probably just keep voting 3rd Party, but I'd be tempted...
 
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That.

I don't love it either, but I can certainly understand it.

If women and/or minorities had held the presidency frequently, or even occasionally, on and off over the course of the last couple hundred years we wouldn't be seeing it, I don't think.

My wife has voted for men in races against women in the past for lesser offices and I'm sure many others have too.

But when the option exists to elect "one of your own" for the first time in this nation's 240 year history I can see why one would want on that wagon.

Especially so when you consider that most elections we're stuck voting for the "best of the worst" rather than someone we'd REALLY like to see become president.

Hell, if I'm stuck with a Hillary-(Enter any currently announced Republican hopeful here) race I may just vote to make history myself.

Actually, I'll probably just keep voting 3rd Party, but I'd be tempted...

It's not just 'one of their own'. Most of the major GOP candidates for president aren't single women friendly. Abortion. Social safety nets for single women. Minimum wages, etc. Looking at the issues the GOP isn't making any friends with younger women.
 
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It's not just 'one of their own'. Most of the major GOP candidates for president aren't single women friendly. Abortion. Social safety nets for single women. Minimum wages, etc. Looking at the issues the GOP isn't making any friends with younger women.

Since you haven't been following along we were talking specifically about my wife and her friends.

These are married 30 or 40-something women with children, homes, vacation property, brokerage accounts, stable corporate or professional careers, masters degrees, that sort of thing.

Not your "typical Democrat social justice" voters.

We're not maybe talking about the 1%, but definitely the 2.5% at worst.

Most of the women I'm talking about here would actually stand to lose personally from another Democrat with a mandate in the White House.

But they're going to vote for her anyway...because she's a woman.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Since you haven't been following along we were talking specifically about my wife and her friends.

These are married 30 or 40-something women with children, homes, vacation property, brokerage accounts, stable corporate or professional careers, masters degrees, that sort of thing.

Not your "typical Democrat social justice" voters.

We're not maybe talking about the 1%, but definitely the 2.5% at worst.

Most of the women I'm talking about here would actually stand to lose personally from another Democrat with a mandate in the White House.

But they're going to vote for her anyway...because she's a woman.

What is the "Dem mandate' you mentioned that would harm the married women that you know?

The 1%, or even the 5% have done quite well the last 6 years or so.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

What is your obsession with this topic, dude? How many threads have you made about this? 3 or 4 now?

As has been shown to you numerous times, American women in all demographics lean Democrat.

What is it about this subject that is so important to you? How have you managed to make this about yourself in such a way that you simply can't let the topic go without someone telling you the answer you want to hear?

Not really true, married women tend to lean republican while unmarried women lean democrat.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

What is the "Dem mandate' you mentioned that would harm the married women that you know?

The 1%, or even the 5% have done quite well the last 6 years or so.

We're really getting off track of the OP here.

If you want to continue this discussion down the line you're taking it now we can certainly do that, but this isn't the place for it.
 
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What is the point of the thread and picture....
 
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Not really true, married women tend to lean republican while unmarried women lean democrat.

Well... They certainly lean more republican. However, that's true of men as well.

People tend to become more Conservative with age, by and large.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

We're really getting off track of the OP here.

If you want to continue this discussion down the line you're taking it now we can certainly do that, but this isn't the place for it.

I disagree that we're off-track.

But OK.

Have a nice night.
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Not really true, married women tend to lean republican while unmarried women lean democrat.

Nope, they don't. Married women are still more Democrat than Republican. I've posted the many survey results showing this before on Ryan's threads "asking" this same question.
 
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I just realized a mistake I have in the above post. :lol: Can't edit it out now, unfortunately.

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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Yeah. Apparently, younger women are democrats, then a hormonal change sets in and they turn republican once they get married.

Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.
 
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Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.

That's only because conservatives are more likely to vote, and so are older people (older women are more likely to be married than younger ones of course).

In point of fact, even married women lean liberal, which somewhat upends this patronizing idea that women supposedly seek a daddy figure in their lives as though they were permanently children unable to care for themselves. Women remain liberal even after getting married, when they supposedly already have a "daddy" in the form of a husband. In fact, it's their husbands who change from Democrat to Republican-leaning, not them.

Yours is an especially ridiculous assertion in context of the fact that younger women these days are both generally better educated and better employed than their male peers, by virtue of choosing to prioritize their own security (or just their own interests in life).

Women don't need a daddy. They just tend not to vote for the party that thinks they "rape easy" and the party that is constantly fighting against their right to have medical care and choose their own future. Who could blame us? It's not exactly hard to see why the Republican party struggles to court women, especially younger women with better self-esteem and fewer self-effacing sexist beliefs.
 
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Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.

Your first source looks at women investing. Hardly a broad picture of women in general. It helps to use sources that don't self select only a portion of the populace you are looking at. You then make assumptions about why a group of people acted as they did based on your own beliefs, and that faulty assumption from your first source. You can do better than this...
 
Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Your first source looks at women investing. Hardly a broad picture of women in general.

:shrug: Since we are discussing explicitly greater risk aversion in economic security, in fact, it is fairly relevant.

It helps to use sources that don't self select only a portion of the populace you are looking at.

So... don't study women making economic decisions when attempting to describe women's predispositions in economic decision-making....

Okay.

You then make assumptions about why a group of people acted as they did based on your own beliefs, and that faulty assumption from your first source. You can do better than this...

:shrug: I've pointed out a logical line of reasoning, supported it with relevant data, and demonstrated that the hypothesis predictions have consistently come true. You seem to have..... not.....
 
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That's only because conservatives are more likely to vote, and so are older people (older women are more likely to be married than younger ones of course).

In point of fact, even married women lean liberal, which somewhat upends this patronizing idea that women supposedly seek a daddy figure in their lives as though they were permanently children unable to care for themselves

"Daddy"? I don't know. Certainly "Security".

Women remain liberal even after getting married

Their voting patterns do not match this

when they supposedly already have a "daddy" in the form of a husband. In fact, it's their husbands who change from Democrat to Republican-leaning, not them.

:shrug: this is simply mathematically untrue. Young, unmarried women tend to vote Democrat (as you point out). Married, usually slightly older women tend to vote Republican. And have done so every Presidential election with a single exception since 1980.

Yours is an especially ridiculous assertion in context of the fact that younger women these days are both generally better educated and better employed than their male peers, by virtue of choosing to prioritize their own security (or just their own interests in life).

Women in our younger generation are generally better educated and better employed not least because our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation.

Women don't need a daddy.

Wrong. Everyone needs a dad. Women no less than men.

They just tend not to vote for the party that thinks they "rape easy" and the party that is constantly fighting against their right to have medical care and choose their own future.

This is incorrect on several fronts.

1. Republicans don't think women "rape easy" - quite the contrary, this is more broadly the implicit assumption of the Democrat Party, which is far more likely to exaggerate things like sexual assault statistics. Anecdotes do not a statistic defeat. Furthermore, it is Republicans who attempt to make women rape more harder, by pushing to enable them to defend themselves against typically larger, stronger men through the lawful use of weaponry, and by not punishing them for being unwilling to try (and possibly fail) to run away. Take a look to see who's behind legal firearm restrictions and "duty to retreat" laws. You won't find Republicans taking the guns out of women and enabling rapists. You'll find Democrats.
2. Women are actually more likely to want to limit abortion than men.
3. "Women's medical decisions" are not defined as "Abortion", however, much the left appears to have fallen into that fallacy. In fact, when it comes to actual healthcare choices, it is the Republicans who push for introducing greater choice into the system and having health insurance and health care directed by patients (slightly more than half of whom are women). It is Democrats who want to increasingly centralize those decisions in male-dominated institutions such as Congress.

Who could blame us? It's not exactly hard to see why the Republican party struggles to court women, especially younger women with better self-esteem and fewer self-effacing sexist beliefs.

The Republican Party doesn't struggle with women, it struggles with unmarried women, because they have lower risk tolerance and therefore more highly value strong public support structures. The Republican Party consistently wins married women.
 
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"Daddy"? I don't know. Certainly "Security".

Their voting patterns do not match this

:shrug: this is simply mathematically untrue. Young, unmarried women tend to vote Democrat (as you point out). Married, usually slightly older women tend to vote Republican. And have done so every Presidential election with a single exception since 1980.

Women in our younger generation are generally better educated and better employed not least because our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation.

Wrong. Everyone needs a dad. Women no less than men.

This is incorrect on several fronts.

1. Republicans don't think women "rape easy" - quite the contrary, this is more broadly the implicit assumption of the Democrat Party, which is far more likely to exaggerate things like sexual assault statistics. Anecdotes do not a statistic defeat. Furthermore, it is Republicans who attempt to make women rape more harder, by pushing to enable them to defend themselves against typically larger, stronger men through the lawful use of weaponry, and by not punishing them for being unwilling to try (and possibly fail) to run away. Take a look to see who's behind legal firearm restrictions and "duty to retreat" laws. You won't find Republicans taking the guns out of women and enabling rapists. You'll find Democrats.
2. Women are actually more likely to want to limit abortion than men.
3. "Women's medical decisions" are not defined as "Abortion", however, much the left appears to have fallen into that fallacy. In fact, when it comes to actual healthcare choices, it is the Republicans who push for introducing greater choice into the system and having health insurance and health care directed by patients (slightly more than half of whom are women). It is Democrats who want to increasingly centralize those decisions in male-dominated institutions such as Congress.

The Republican Party doesn't struggle with women, it struggles with unmarried women, because they have lower risk tolerance and therefore more highly value strong public support structures. The Republican Party consistently wins married women.

Yes, a daddy figure. You believe women think like children in their politics and need someone to support them. This fails to explain why even the wealthy and married are liberal-leaning, but that is what you are suggesting. If you're going to make these sorts of sexist insinuations, you should at least have the cajones to just be honest about it rather than playing dumb.

You are simply choosing not to listen. The fact is, women in all demographics are dominantly liberal. I have provided proof of such. However, older people vote more consistently. Therefore, in some demographics, conservative women appear more predominant. But population-wide, women are still more liberal than conservative across all demographics. So, no -- you are mathematically wrong.

Stop minimizing the the work of women. Men choose not to pursue their education at all more so than women. Women aren't being coddled into the system. They are choosing to pursue it, whereas men are not. Furthermore, the American style of education hasn't changed over the entire course of our country's history. If men were doing well 50 years ago, there's no reason they can't now. If anything, today's system is probably less stifling to them.

As far as my comments on why Republicans have a hard time courting women, that phrase is a direct quote from an actual Republican politician. So yes, some of them do believe those things.

Your second assertion is ridiculous. Women are dramatically more likely to be pro-choice than men.

I am not defining medical decisions as only abortion -- although it's that too. Republicans seek to limit women's healthcare pretty much across the board.

The Republican party can't gain the majority of women in ANY demographic, married or unmarried. It's just that older people vote more, and thus more married women who are Republican show up to the polls.

If you are going to continue ignoring the evidence directly contrary to your claims, don't bother. I certainty won't. I just felt it necessary to point out your intentional dodging in owning your insinuations about women's intellects. That kind of dishonesty bugs me.
 
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:shrug: Since we are discussing explicitly greater risk aversion in economic security, in fact, it is fairly relevant.

There is far more to economic risk taking than investment patterns. Many women who are involved in economic decisions do not invest in the stock market, or only do so through a 401k. You are trying to take a specific group of women, and assume that the actions they take are representative of all women, and that simply does not work.



So... don't study women making economic decisions when attempting to describe women's predispositions in economic decision-making....

Okay.

No, but understand that investing in the stock market is selecting a certain group based on the actions they take, and assuming that how they take those actions applies to all. That does not work well.


:shrug: I've pointed out a logical line of reasoning, supported it with relevant data, and demonstrated that the hypothesis predictions have consistently come true. You seem to have..... not.....

Well, no. Not only are you making generalizations about a large group based on a specific subset of that groups actions, you have then assumed that this is the motivation for unrelated actions. That is what is known as a non sequitur. It does not follow.
 
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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

Did I miss something? What's the significance of this poll (or the picture for that matter)?

I think he's scared of women voting for Hillary. He's right to be scared, a lot of them will. It will be the 1st time they get to vote for one of their gender for President and they sense history in the making.
 
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