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Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?
:roll: no one is minimizing the work of women. Stop using accusations of mean-ole-sexism to cover for a lack of willingness to respond to what people are actually saying.
That's right, they do. Not least because (as identified) our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation. Broadly speaking, our education system is designed by women, implemented by women, overseen by women, and benefits females. That's not any kind of conspiracy, it's just people doing what they think works best.
:shrug: agreed.
:lol: you may want to check with Fiddy on that. However, I agree that the education system is only part of the problem - the culture is another major problem.
No it's not, it's a citation of a single state-level legislator who was quoting someone else who wasn't even talking about actual rape, but rather premarital sex. There is more evidence that Democrats are the pro-illegal-gun-running party. But hey, it's hard to gin up outrage in an election year when you keep things in context .
On the contrary - Women are significantly more likely to be in favor of limiting abortion than men.
Washington Post-ABC News Poll: 60% of women favor restricting abortion after 20 weeks, compared to 53% of men.
Quinnipiac: 8% of women favor banning abortion in all cases, compared to 6% of men. 60% of women favor allowing unrestricted abortion only up to 20 weeks, compared to 50% of men
Oh. Okay. Where are Republicans seeking to limit women's ability to get open-heart surgery? Hey, in the debate over over-the-counter birth control, which party is arguing in favor of it, v which party is arguing in favor of limiting women's access by forcing them to get a prescription? Where, other than abortion are Republicans trying to limit "women's health care" v arguing for policies that increase individual choice?
Except, of course, that they consistently do.
1. you get plenty of people who register Democrat (or maintain earlier registrations) and then vote Republican
2. Contra the President, non-voters don't count in a vote.
3. Your argument is partially self defeating given that younger women are also less likely to be married.
You cited a single January/May 2009 poll that showed a democrat advantage among married women of 3% above the margin of error against decades of evidence in the opposite direction.
Sure. Okay. And George W Bush has stratospheric approval ratings. Don't believe me? Here's this poll from right after 9/11.
:roll: no one is insinuating anything about women's intellects other than YOU bringing in the daddy-bit and ME arguing that women are better at concentrating on school work as children.
Incidentally, you have the parental roles reversed - Republicans are the Daddy Party, Democrats are the Mommy Party.
SmokeAndMirrors said:Stop minimizing the the work of women.
:roll: no one is minimizing the work of women. Stop using accusations of mean-ole-sexism to cover for a lack of willingness to respond to what people are actually saying.
Men choose not to pursue their education at all more so than women.
That's right, they do. Not least because (as identified) our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation. Broadly speaking, our education system is designed by women, implemented by women, overseen by women, and benefits females. That's not any kind of conspiracy, it's just people doing what they think works best.
Women aren't being coddled into the system. They are choosing to pursue it, whereas men are not.
:shrug: agreed.
Furthermore, the American style of education hasn't changed over the entire course of our country's history.
:lol: you may want to check with Fiddy on that. However, I agree that the education system is only part of the problem - the culture is another major problem.
As far as my comments on why Republicans have a hard time courting women, that phrase is a direct quote from an actual Republican politician.
No it's not, it's a citation of a single state-level legislator who was quoting someone else who wasn't even talking about actual rape, but rather premarital sex. There is more evidence that Democrats are the pro-illegal-gun-running party. But hey, it's hard to gin up outrage in an election year when you keep things in context .
Your second assertion is ridiculous. Women are dramatically more likely to be pro-choice than men.
On the contrary - Women are significantly more likely to be in favor of limiting abortion than men.
Washington Post-ABC News Poll: 60% of women favor restricting abortion after 20 weeks, compared to 53% of men.
Quinnipiac: 8% of women favor banning abortion in all cases, compared to 6% of men. 60% of women favor allowing unrestricted abortion only up to 20 weeks, compared to 50% of men
I am not defining medical decisions as only abortion -- although it's that too. Republicans seek to limit women's healthcare pretty much across the board.
Oh. Okay. Where are Republicans seeking to limit women's ability to get open-heart surgery? Hey, in the debate over over-the-counter birth control, which party is arguing in favor of it, v which party is arguing in favor of limiting women's access by forcing them to get a prescription? Where, other than abortion are Republicans trying to limit "women's health care" v arguing for policies that increase individual choice?
The Republican party can't gain the majority of women in ANY demographic, married or unmarried.
Except, of course, that they consistently do.
It's just that older people vote more, and thus more married women who are Republican show up to the polls.
1. you get plenty of people who register Democrat (or maintain earlier registrations) and then vote Republican
2. Contra the President, non-voters don't count in a vote.
3. Your argument is partially self defeating given that younger women are also less likely to be married.
If you are going to continue ignoring the evidence directly contrary to your claims, don't bother.
You cited a single January/May 2009 poll that showed a democrat advantage among married women of 3% above the margin of error against decades of evidence in the opposite direction.
Sure. Okay. And George W Bush has stratospheric approval ratings. Don't believe me? Here's this poll from right after 9/11.
I certainty won't. I just felt it necessary to point out your intentional dodging in owning your insinuations about women's intellects. That kind of dishonesty bugs me.
:roll: no one is insinuating anything about women's intellects other than YOU bringing in the daddy-bit and ME arguing that women are better at concentrating on school work as children.
Incidentally, you have the parental roles reversed - Republicans are the Daddy Party, Democrats are the Mommy Party.