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Has Obama been a "Great" US President? (in your personal opinion)?

Has Obama been a "Great" US President? (in your personal opinion)?


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IMO the boldness displayed with the red line was legendary not only great, and entertaining the mourning French with James Taylor has improved relations with not only the French, but the entire world. Race relations especially with the police after beer summit have brought us all closer together and we now have a more caring and loving military and better health insurance due to this legendary president Obama.
 
Great? Not even close.

I believe that history will put him somewhere in the lower 1/4 of all Presidents, though not at or near the absolute bottom.

Side note: I also believe that history cannot accurately judge a President until 30 to 50 years after they leave office.
 
Pretty standard right-winger, notable only for the extreme racist reaction of the Republicans.
 
A great leader, a great President, is one who by his very force of will and righteousness can inspire a country to follow him where he wants to lead them. Can anyone name one issue where President Obama has displayed such greatness?
That just defines a strong leader (IMO). A great leader does that AND gains positive results.

Obama does neither, btw. I've been thinking of Obama as nothing more than a "caretaker" President, lately.
 
Obama has been a pretty good president but not great. Once the wrinkles get sorted out the ACA will be looked back on as a good idea with weak implementation. His foreign policy has been weak but not as bad as our former leader. His policies helped get us out of the recession but other policies conservative and liberal could of been better. His efforts to reduce climate change has been beneficial and if China holds up on their end of the bargain, the world will be much better.
I predict ACA will begin to be dismantled within 15-20 years in favor of single-payer.
 
Pretty standard right-winger, notable only for the extreme racist reaction of the Republicans.

How does one go about rightfully criticizing a Black President when deserved without incurring the knee-jerk response of racism from you?
 
I predict ACA will begin to be dismantled within 15-20 years in favor of single-payer.

And THAT will be the end of our sovereignty.

When the Government has a monopoly on health care insurance it will have all of our health records and will make the life or death financial decisions about our health care currently being made by objective 3rd parties and trusted health care professionals abiding by the Hippocratic Oath.

Will we one day see One Pay health care boards decide not to pay for certain peoples to get certain procedures based on political reasons?

You'd like to think not.

But we also would have liked to have thought not in the case of the IRS targeting certain groups, individuals and businesses because of political affiliations as a means of intimidation and strong arming the partisan opposition.

Woe is us the day single pay becomes the reality.
 
How does one go about rightfully criticizing a Black President when deserved without incurring the knee-jerk response of racism from you?

You can't do it.

Anytime you do, those race cards will be flung at you.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.
 
A great leader, a great President, is one who by his very force of will and righteousness can inspire a country to follow him where he wants to lead them. Can anyone name one issue where President Obama has displayed such greatness?

By this odd definition, we've never had a "great President." Doing things by "force of will" is not how the presidency works.
 
You can't do it.

Anytime you do, those race cards will be flung at you.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.

My Guru, Dr. Bill has a lesson which applies to this matter, though tangentially.
The Virtuous Bigot
Aug 17 2011 | by Bill Warner

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We have a new kind of bigot today, the virtuous bigot. You can find a virtuous bigot by reading the writings of just about any apologist for Islam. It seems that it almost impossible for an apologist to resist proving the point of the beauty of Islam, by saying that those who find fault in Islam are bigots, racists, haters, and Islamophobes.

All of those who use fact-based arguments against Islam or reveal the enormous suffering caused by Islam are attacked by being called members of the KKK and worse. Any criticism of Islam is treated as hate speech.

Actually, the real meaning of “bigot” is someone who opposes the social and racial policies of the establishment. It just means: “we-hate-you”. “Bigot” has lost its moral meaning.
The Virtuous Bigot - Political Islam
 
In a normal situation the answer would be no, but since he had to succeed the worst president in World history, its a definite yes. Compared to bush he looks like a great president.
 
In a normal situation the answer would be no, but since he had to succeed the worst president in World history, its a definite yes. Compared to bush he looks like a great president.

Rahm Emanuel, is that you?

:lamo
 
By this odd definition, we've never had a "great President." Doing things by "force of will" is not how the presidency works.

You don't think some of the Presidents, let's take Lyndon Johnson as an example, used their leadership, their "force of will" to push the nation in a direction that they felt the nation needed to go. His Great Society package has had lasting impact on your country. There are other Presidents who did similar things. Ronald Reagan can be considered a great leader, a great President, in my view, because of the way he lifted the American psyche when it needed it most.

Great Presidents aren't always successful in everything they do but they can be, with their personality and determination, the driving force behind important accomplishments.
 
You don't think some of the Presidents, let's take Lyndon Johnson as an example, used their leadership, their "force of will" to push the nation in a direction that they felt the nation needed to go. His Great Society package has had lasting impact on your country. There are other Presidents who did similar things. Ronald Reagan can be considered a great leader, a great President, in my view, because of the way he lifted the American psyche when it needed it most.

Great Presidents aren't always successful in everything they do but they can be, with their personality and determination, the driving force behind important accomplishments.

"Force of will" can easily be stymied by a noncompliant Congress.
 
How does one go about rightfully criticizing a Black President when deserved without incurring the knee-jerk response of racism from you?

By actually looking at his policies rather than obeying your racist masters?
 
"Force of will" can easily be stymied by a noncompliant Congress.

I'd say the force of will in such situations wasn't "great". In the incidents I mentioned, the Presidents were able to work with Congress to get things done. These are people who didn't present themselves as the greatest or only voice, such as your current President does, but they do, through the force and righteousness of their words, get people to follow, even those who might not normally do so.

Force of will doesn't have anything to do with division, the only playing card of President Obama. It has to do with uniting divergent opinions behind you. President Obama learned nothing from successful Presidents who preceded him throughout the years. Ego is not often a characteristic of greatness in politics.
 
Then it wouldn't be "force of will" if it's "easily stymied".

Precisely. There are very few past examples -- virtually zero -- of THAT kind of presidential "greatness."
 
Yes, Obama has been a great President, the greatest worst President, ever.
 
Precisely. There are very few past examples -- virtually zero -- of THAT kind of presidential "greatness."
No. You missed the point... but to be fair, I could have elaborated better, too. Anyway, there have been some. Not many, but some.
 
By actually looking at his policies rather than obeying your racist masters?

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Oh?

Tell me about my racist masters.
 
You don't think some of the Presidents, let's take Lyndon Johnson as an example, used their leadership, their "force of will" to push the nation in a direction that they felt the nation needed to go. His Great Society package has had lasting impact on your country. There are other Presidents who did similar things. Ronald Reagan can be considered a great leader, a great President, in my view, because of the way he lifted the American psyche when it needed it most.

Great Presidents aren't always successful in everything they do but they can be, with their personality and determination, the driving force behind important accomplishments.

If pushing through major legislation is your criterion, Obama would seem to qualify in spades.
 
If pushing through major legislation is your criterion, Obama would seem to qualify in spades.

Clearly, you didn't understand my point. Even Obama's so called signature legislation, the ACA, wasn't his, it was Nancy Pelosi's, and the country is still not with him on it and his fellow Democrats have abandoned him. What's all this "major legislation" that Obama has pushed through? Perhaps you're referring to his signature legislation on immigration reform, his major promise in the 2008 election? Oh, never mind.
 
Clearly, you didn't understand my point. Even Obama's so called signature legislation, the ACA, wasn't his, it was Nancy Pelosi's, and the country is still not with him on it and his fellow Democrats have abandoned him. What's all this "major legislation" that Obama has pushed through? Perhaps you're referring to his signature legislation on immigration reform, his major promise in the 2008 election? Oh, never mind.

The first two years of the Obama presidency saw more major legislation passed than any time since the 89th Congress (the Great Society Congress). So if getting significant policy changes passed is your benchmark--and indeed the Great Society is your example--the list of presidents who stand toe-to-toe with LBJ on productivity and major legislation is fairly small. But Obama is on it.
 
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