I wish someone would start a business where they had rows of washers and dryers and for quarters you could rent these machines and clean your clothes
For 20 dollars a month you can get a membership at a low end gym with showers and a locker room too.
If you live near a truck stop 10 bucks will get you a shower as well
Any able bodied person can shower and clean cloths if they want to
It's not helping anyone to create silly no win scenarios where people can't help themselves
Google and read the studies - they found that providing apartments for the homeless is actually cheaper than it is to pay for the increased police presence, the use of the court system, and the extra prison capacity that comes with having those people on the streets.
Yes, that's counterintuitive...but one is cheaper than the other. And there's the rub - you do pay. One way or another, you pay anyway. You can pay more for cops and courts and prisons...or you can pay somewhat less for apartments to give them a place where they can take a shower, wash and iron their clothes, and get a job.
But you pay anyway. Do you want to pay more for the stick...or less for the carrot?
I'm opposed to handing out anything to anyone for free. If they want it, they can work for it. I've seen some of the Section 8 housing they give out to the poor and without exception, they've all been graffiti-covered, drug-filled, crime-filled cesspools. Nobody there is getting any help, they're just being left to rot because they don't actually have to do anything for themselves. I did suggest years ago that some of the closed military bases ought to be opened to the homeless, they have shower facilities, they have addresses, they have kitchens designed to feed lots of people and can be opened to charities. Force all the homeless off the streets into these camps, get them the help they need and require them to get clean, get educated and get their lives together.
Of course, liberals hate that idea.
What makes you think that these apartments wouldn't require additional police presence, the courts wouldn't have to be just as involved and the same people wouldn't go to prison? You think that giving people apartments is going to magically change their anti-social behavior?
If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?
Why or why not?
Can't answer the poll because the questions are poorly worded.
You don't get it would be be cheaper if the state did none of that stuff.
So you're willing to have them remain as a permanent underclass. I have higher hopes for them, but the first step is for those who are homeless to not be okay with being homeless anymore. "Free" apartments won't provide that motivation. Not sure why you think it would be such a good idea to just warehouse people.sounds nice in theory...but in real life, not so much. Shelters only have so much capacity and turn people away on a regular basis. The others normally don't allow someone to sleep there. And how many of those places have facilities to allow the homeless person to wash, clean, and iron his or her clothes every single day so he or she can go to work?
I doubt any of them do.
How much cheaper would it be if they weren't being warehoused and had jobs instead?Here:
Living on the streets isn't cheap: Each chronically homeless person in Central Florida costs the community roughly $31,000 a year, a new analysis being released Thursday shows.
The price tag covers the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals — largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues.
In contrast, providing the chronically homeless with permanent housing and case managers to supervise them would run about $10,000 per person per year, saving taxpayers millions of dollars during the next decade, the report concludes.
Section 8 housing is never nice...but at least most - yes, MOST - of the people there do go get jobs, even if they're just minimum wage. In fact, if you'll check, if you're working full time at minimum wage trying to support a family, Section 8 housing is about the best you can afford.
Here:
Living on the streets isn't cheap: Each chronically homeless person in Central Florida costs the community roughly $31,000 a year, a new analysis being released Thursday shows.
The price tag covers the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals — largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues.
In contrast, providing the chronically homeless with permanent housing and case managers to supervise them would run about $10,000 per person per year, saving taxpayers millions of dollars during the next decade, the report concludes.
How much cheaper would it be if they weren't being warehoused and had jobs instead?
I agree with this regarding the mentally ill.Since many chronic homeless people have mental health issues, I vote for getting them some kind of mental health treatment. Housing would also be provided.
Meh. Give 'em a 6x10' hut each with a futon, toilet and sink. No electricity, no comms, no A/C, but some kind of heat in the winter sure. Stack 'em ten stories high in a fenced complex and try to keep 'em away from the regular folks somewhat.
Give 'em a block of generic nutrient paste every day that will keep starvation at bay, a bar of soap once a month, and a couple blankets.
That's enough. For those with a speck of ambition, put a branch Employment Office nearby...
Oh wow, you mean, no police, no courts, no prisons?
You don't have to imagine what a place like that is like - we have it today - it's called, "Sudan".
Section 8 housing is never nice...but at least most - yes, MOST - of the people there do go get jobs, even if they're just minimum wage. In fact, if you'll check, if you're working full time at minimum wage trying to support a family, Section 8 housing is about the best you can afford.
As to giving the homeless free apartments, how on God's green earth can you believe free apartments for the homeless will be "cheaper" in the long run? Because some group of ideologues conducted a "study"? How many freeloaders do you think will suddenly become "homeless" when they start giving away free apartments? Did your "study" figure that in? :roll:
And how do you feel it should be worded, hm?
Since you support this, you do it.
Build enough public housing. It doesn't have to be free but it can be affordable to those on minimum wage or on welfare. We have the resources. Let's end this scandal that in rich countries some people still have to live in the street.