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If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

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America must be free from those European habits or fears. If the east mountain is volcanic and is about to blow this threatens only the Europe and America has payed its dues.
 
Some take well to 3rd class citizenship.

I don't suppose you value equality, do you?

Neither does Islam.

And you must also know that the messy part of Islamization is at the beginning.

After the fighting is done and Islamic rule is imposed things are pretty tranquil.

From what I hear.

It appears you do not know the history of "Christianity". If you'd check, Islam is NOT the religion whose adherents have killed more people in the name of God than any other - that dubious honor belongs to "Christianity" (see "Crusades", "Taiping Rebellion", "Thirty Years War", "Huguenots", Jewish ghettoes (which started in Rome), et al)...and "Christians" have a long tradition of killing those who are not "Christian" just because they think God wanted them to do so. The most recent significant example of this was in the Bosnian massacres in the late 1990's. Even now, there are oh-so-"Christian" nations (backed up by American evangelicals) in Africa who support AND carry out the death sentence against homosexuals.

So...NO, guy, "Christians have precisely zero room to talk.

And BTW, the reason that all uses of "Christian" above are in quotes is because I am a strong Christian...and all those I referred to above - trinitarians all, except for perhaps in the Taiping Rebellion - are not Christian.
 
Oh you are missing a lot.
What would you do with Muslims in the US? NA - EU?
You may or may not have addressed that. Not sure

What are you trying to urge me to say?
 
It appears you do not know the history of "Christianity". If you'd check, Islam is NOT the religion whose adherents have killed more people in the name of God than any other - that dubious honor belongs to "Christianity" (see "Crusades", "Taiping Rebellion", "Thirty Years War", "Huguenots", Jewish ghettoes (which started in Rome), et al)...and "Christians" have a long tradition of killing those who are not "Christian" just because they think God wanted them to do so. The most recent significant example of this was in the Bosnian massacres in the late 1990's. Even now, there are oh-so-"Christian" nations (backed up by American evangelicals) in Africa who support AND carry out the death sentence against homosexuals.

So...NO, guy, "Christians have precisely zero room to talk.

And BTW, the reason that all uses of "Christian" above are in quotes is because I am a strong Christian...and all those I referred to above - trinitarians all, except for perhaps in the Taiping Rebellion - are not Christian.

I find that TIT4TAT type of rationalization is very common among pro Muslim posters.

Why would that be?

And your mention of the Crusades means you haven't yet watched this video. If you had you would never bring up the Crusades.



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So now we can talk about some facts!
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Yes, there were Crusades.
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But notice that they ended centuries ago, and jihad is being practiced today.
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Jihad has been with us for 1400 years.
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There is no comparison between jihad and the Crusades; certainly not a moral comparison.
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And when we’re looking at the Crusades, remember,
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in one sense all of the Crusades were defensive wars. Why?
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As we saw in the first jihad map, it was Islam that came out of Arabia and conquered the Middle East,
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a Christian Middle East.
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And so the crusaders were trying to free their Christian brothers and sisters from jihad.
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So there's no moral comparison all.
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The motivation of the crusaders was to free Christians; the purpose of jihad is to enslave the Kafir.
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The next time you hear somebody talk about “Oh, those dreadful Crusades”,
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you speak the facts about the matter.
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Why don’t you pipe up and tell them, “You know, you don't really know the matter.”
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America must be free from those European habits or fears. If the east mountain is volcanic and is about to blow this threatens only the Europe and America has payed its dues.

Political Islam has subjugated civilizations for 1,400 years
 
I find that TIT4TAT type of rationalization is very common among pro Muslim posters.

Why would that be?

And your mention of the Crusades means you haven't yet watched this video. If you had you would never bring up the Crusades.

Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....
 
Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....

Tell the WHOLE story.

Or should I say, "the REST of the story."
 
Look around you and list one thing that is not produced, made to operate, is kept preserved/stored, or is brought to you without the use of oil.

One thing.

The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

And uses materials made from...

And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

And delivered to your showroom because of...

And the electricity it uses is produced by...

And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.

Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

But in the mean time...

EDIT: Oh, and anyone who tries to bring up Hydrogen, just tell them it costs more to produce/refine than it delivers in savings. That will stop them in their tracks.

The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

I'm assuming you mean electricity. America uses around 2% of oil to power electric power plants. I'll show you the charts when I get a minute. Coal and some nuclear and a little bit of hydro and other sources powers the factory where the electric car is made. None of it finances ISIS, Al Qeada, dictatorships that control the American economy or middle eastern propaganda outlet posing as media that inspire new terrorist recruits. ...except maybe less than 1% if that.

And uses materials made from...

Plastics are deprived from oil but nowhere near the amount needed to fuel an internal combustion engine car over its lifetime.

And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

Oil. I'd like to see that changed and it will in time. How soon will depend on how successful I am in getting friends like you to see that we have other options that don't harm America's security.

And delivered to your showroom because of...

See above

And the electricity it uses is produced by...

Mostly coal from America. The Middle East doesn't have any.

And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

Coal

And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.


Depending. Trains run on coal and electricity. That industry realized a long time ago its more efficient and cost effective NOT to use gasoline to run trains. Since they create their own products, not beholden to the auto industry, they pursued that path. The American public, on the other hand cannot manufacture their own cars. The auto industry makes a ton of money on the outdated internal combustion engine because its design causes it to eventually destroy itself waaaay faster than what they could offer in electric cars forcing you to buy a new one every several years or so. In the meantime they by their own reports get to make 40% of their annual profits on replacements parts and the dealerships get to make more than half of their profits from their service departments, not sales.

Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

I hope not.

While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

But in the mean time...
 
Tell the WHOLE story.

Or should I say, "the REST of the story."

The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.
 
The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

I'm assuming you mean electricity. America uses around 2% of oil to power electric power plants. I'll show you the charts when I get a minute. Coal and some nuclear and a little bit of hydro and other sources powers the factory where the electric car is made. None of it finances ISIS, Al Qeada, dictatorships that control the American economy or middle eastern propaganda outlet posing as media that inspire new terrorist recruits. ...except maybe less than 1% if that.

And uses materials made from...

Plastics are deprived from oil but nowhere near the amount needed to fuel an internal combustion engine car over its lifetime.

And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

Oil. I'd like to see that changed and it will in time. How soon will depend on how successful I am in getting friends like you to see that we have other options that don't harm America's security.

And delivered to your showroom because of...

See above

And the electricity it uses is produced by...

Mostly coal from America. The Middle East doesn't have any.

And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

Coal

And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.


Depending. Trains run on coal and electricity. That industry realized a long time ago its more efficient and cost effective NOT to use gasoline to run trains. Since they create their own products, not beholden to the auto industry, they pursued that path. The American public, on the other hand cannot manufacture their own cars. The auto industry makes a ton of money on the outdated internal combustion engine because its design causes it to eventually destroy itself waaaay faster than what they could offer in electric cars forcing you to buy a new one every several years or so. In the meantime they by their own reports get to make 40% of their annual profits on replacements parts and the dealerships get to make more than half of their profits from their service departments, not sales.

Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

I hope not.

While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

But in the mean time...

Our respective points are made.
 
The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.

The plan is to use minimal violence, from what I understand.

The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document

(The Muslim Brotherhood logo)

The following is the official document from a 1991 meeting which outlines the Muslim Brotherhood's strategic goals for North America. The document was entered as evidence in the 2008 Holyland Terror Funding Trial. Federal investigators found the document in the home of Ismael Elbarasse, a founder of the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, during a 2004 search. Elbarasse was a member of the Palestine Committee, which the Muslim Brotherhood had created to support Hamas in the United States.

The original document in Arabic follows the English translation.

We have highlighted in yellow the following quotes which are of particular significance. The page numbers noted below correspond to the page numbers in the center of the bottom of each page in the document).

The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document
 
The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.

And the hundred million people killed under atheist rule means nothing I guess
 
Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....

And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?
 
And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?

But that's what you're not understanding about religion - if they are truly God's people, then killing innocent people 1000 years ago is just as bad - just as damning - as killing innocent people today.
 
And the hundred million people killed under atheist rule means nothing I guess

Religion is not the only motivator, of course. It's just one of several.

Humankind is showing no signs of quitting slaughtering each other any time in the near future.
 
Our respective points are made.

I need to stand corrected. Natural gas has gotten very popular with power plants since I last checked. However, petroleum to generate electricity is still minimal and if we get behind electric cars we could bankrupt the terrorists. Unfortunately, we'd rather dig our heels in against each other not wanting the other side to feel they've gotten any victory with our help over climate change so we passionately defend policies that guarantee the viability of the only natural resource the people who want us dead have by being as committed to is as they are when we have the ability right to to deflate petroleum's global value.

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And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?

Good point!

I have always wondered how non Muslims could so conveniently look past the murderous bigotry aimed at Jews by Muslims.

It's like if the KKK marched down the street most (especially Atheists and Liberals) would be outraged and screaming in protest.

But when Muslims actually kill Jews and Christians, the hypocritical loony Leftists turn a blind eye and defend the Islamic bigotry.

It all has to do with being socially compromised or co-opted or leveraged or something.

If you are "FRIENDS" with a murderer it makes everything they've done okay or at least more easily ignored and given a free pass.

That is crazy.

No wonder they consider us sheeple.

We have the sense of sheep.

Maybe less.

:screwy
 
I need to stand corrected. Natural gas has gotten very popular with power plants since I last checked. However, petroleum to generate electricity is still minimal and if we get behind electric cars we could bankrupt the terrorists. Unfortunately, we'd rather dig our heels in against each other not wanting the other side to feel they've gotten any victory with our help over climate change so we passionately defend policies that guarantee the viability of the only natural resource the people who want us dead have by being as committed to is as they are when we have the ability right to to deflate petroleum's global value.

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Middle Eastern oil will not last forever. Those dependent upon it for wealth have realized it for a long time and have been trying to find new ways of supporting their nations, economies, and personal lifestyles. Whatever else ISIS and fundamentalist Muslims, (the truest followers of Mohammed) are, they are not stupid.

And their jihad will not be stopped by the abundance or the lack of oil.

Not to say that we shouldn't wean ALL of the world from oil as soon as possible, it won't happen in our lifetimes.

And no matter what, and no matter how long it takes, Jihad will continue.

 
Religion is not the only motivator, of course. It's just one of several.

Humankind is showing no signs of quitting slaughtering each other any time in the near future.

Do you see, or do you CARE to see, the difference between indiscriminate slaughter and slaughter with a goal of achieving mastery over all of mankind?

Slaughter is slaughter only if you are slaughtered.

If you survive indiscriminate slaughter you will still be free.

If you survive Islamic slaughter and Islam emerges victorious you will be a 3rd class citizen.

Like a slave was in the Antebellum Southern United States.

Let's see.

Slave?

Die resisting captivity.

Conversion?

Most would likely convert.

And the elimination of all Kafirs will continue until their are only Muslims left.

And that is your religion of peace.
 
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But that's what you're not understanding about religion - if they are truly God's people, then killing innocent people 1000 years ago is just as bad - just as damning - as killing innocent people today.

:screwy

That is a bizarre way of looking at how and why Islam should be resisted by today's non Muslims.

No one is going to get into a time machine to go back to those times to live.

So most rational people concern themselves with the now and maybe the hereafter.

Stick to reality, okay?

You'll get better traction, I think.
 
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Middle Eastern oil will not last forever. Those dependent upon it for wealth have realized it for a long time and have been trying to find new ways of supporting their nations, economies, and personal lifestyles. Whatever else ISIS and fundamentalist Muslims, (the truest followers of Mohammed) are, they are not stupid.

And their jihad will not be stopped by the abundance or the lack of oil.

Not to say that we shouldn't wean ALL of the world from oil as soon as possible, it won't happen in our lifetimes.

And no matter what, and no matter how long it takes, Jihad will continue.



You make an excellent point. Oil will not last forever. At one time Pennsylvania and Ohio were the world's richest oil reserves but we burned it all up. Sobereringly, there are in fact things only oil can provide: pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, and jet fuel are just a few. We are on a path to burn ever drop of petroleum up as quickly as possible leaving future generations without a drop of it left. Meanwhile nuclear armed superpowers are jockeying now to position themselves to control the last remaining oil reserves there are. Russia, for example, recently claimed the oil under the North Pole as their sovereign territory despite being in international waters. Who know what that could lead to 20 years from now if we refuse to diversify the world's transportation energy options.
 
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