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If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

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Never thought about it but makes sense. I also heard the word "love" is not a part of it.

I don't want to bash Islam. It is what it is and to be honest, much of the problem areas are more cultural nuances of the Middle East and are not official a part of their faith. Many Muslims in the west do not support the atrocities of the Middle East. That said, the western economy is presently interwoven in the Middle East. Due to the NEEDLESS monopoly oil presently holds over personal transportation, we are forced to hold our economy and freedoms directly and indirectly at the mercy of a society that by and large hates us. Let's be honest, we are crackheads and oil us our crack. The Middle East is our crack dealer. There is fault to find on all sides. Opening up our own crack house here in the suburbs so to speak is not the solution, mainly because it ensures there will be a global market for crack at high funding levels (oil.)

What we need to do is to support transportation that does not require their oil, our our, Russia's oil, or anybody else's oil. Plugin electric cars presently offer the best viability to that imperative.

I'm bemused by the allusion to oil as America's version of "Crack" cocaine.

As though oil was unnecessary for life or that it is a bad thing.

We need it like we need nothing else save, food, water, air and protection from natural hazards.

Without oil we would be plunged into darkness and forced to try to exist in a pre-1860 lifestyle which our adversaries, who are sworn to defeat us, currently thrive.

We would be novices and at their mercy, were it ever to come to that.

And that is what they are planning for us in the US, to take away our technological advantages and leave us to try to exist on that level.

They would have the advantage then.

But about your post.

We are on our way to producing more oil than any other nation on Earth, what with new reserves having been discovered in the USA and the use of fracking techniques.

And for a long time now our consumption has primarily been supplied by NON Middle Eastern sources. We get only a fraction of our needs from the M.E.

However, our TRADING PARTNERS absolutely depend on an undisturbed flow of oil from the Gulf region.

And THAT is just ONE of the very, very, very good reasons for the invasion. We were able to guarantee our trading partners around the globe, an uninterrupted supply of oil and that kept US in business and able to live life as we know it and like it.

And while were in the neighborhood of alternative fuel, I saw a Toyota online ad which made me laugh contemptuously at their trying to see how many shum dits would get excited about their Hydrogen Fuel research.

It is amazing the nerve they have!

Hydrogen takes more energy to produce than it delivers in the final end product.

That's like getting excited at a machine which delivers an never ending supply of one dollar bills as long as you keep feeding it five dollar bills.

Yay?

:screwy
 
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You haven't yet figured out how to impart aromas to the readers. But once you do I will be ready for it with nose clips.

Thanks - I am well aware that the truth does stink at times.
Good to see that you are prepared.
Old Army maxim- Fail to plan, plan to fail.
 
For one who so stubbornly resists reading the informational texts or viewing the informative videos at Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs you must be insincerely asking me for a solution.

If you go there and still have questions of me, I will consider your request at that point.

Otherwise I accuse you of merely fishing (trolling?) for 'ammo' to use against me. To further your agenda and not to advance your understanding of Islam nor to find a way to prevent non Muslims from being victimized by it.

And facilitating that is not in my plan.
Read parts of the link.

Again here ya go.\Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
Or is this just Muslims in the ME
Or does it include the EU and NA.
For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
The questions are reasonable and clear.
How can that be trolling?
 
Read parts of the link.

Again here ya go.\Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
Or is this just Muslims in the ME
Or does it include the EU and NA.
For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
The questions are reasonable and clear.
How can that be trolling?

Does your alarm clock have a solution when it rings?
 
I am saying that Muslims will be more likely to follow the doctrine of Islam than they would and do our Kafir ideology....
Did I mention the whole "Islamophobia" thing yet? ;)

Muslims in American are no more or less likely to flout the law due to religious beliefs than will devout Christians, devout Jews, devout Hindus and so on. We also routinely see how some extremist Christian political actors overtly try to change the laws because their religious ethical systems demand it. Is it OK for Christians to alter the law to suit their ideology, yet somehow beyond the pale for anyone else to do so?

How much of the New Testament happens to discuss Jews and other non-Christians, by the way?


And if you know anything about Islam you will recognize that I am telling the truth.
Sorry, but you are not telling the truth.

The truth is, for example, that Muslim organizations consistently denounce terrorist attacks committed by Muslims. You're just not hearing about it.

Reza Aslan To Chuck Todd: If You Don't Believe That Muslims Denounce Terrorism, Google It

Why don’t more moderate Muslims denounce extremism? (They Do, We Don't Notice) - The Washington Post

What Fox Won't Show You: Muslim Leaders Are Condemning The Paris Terror Attack | Research | Media Matters for America

Muslim Leaders Have Roundly Denounced Islamic State, But Conservative Media Won't Tell You That | Research | Media Matters for America

As to Iraqi soldiers unable to deal with ISIL, I see little indication that you have much knowledge of a very complex situation. To start with, even the CIA recognizes that recruiting locals rarely works, especially if they are fighting proxy wars on behalf of American policy goals. (Classified CIA report finds that arming rebels rarely works, so where does that leave us with Syria?)

Most of the Iraqi army's failures are a result of politics. Some of it is sectarian in nature. Much of it is the long-term effects of the decision by that f***wit Bremer to disband the Iraqi army, which in turn sent a flood of armed and trained men into the waiting arms of militias, who are less motivated by the national interest than in using the current strife to their own advantage.

Meanwhile, the reality is that right now, ISIL is almost exclusively killing other Muslims, and poses a serious threat to the sovereignty of (at a minimum) Syria and Iraq. They certainly aren't losing because Iraqis sekritly support ISIL, or because Muslims are somehow magically more willing to fight than Christians (or, I guess, other Muslims).

Perhaps instead of demonizing about 1 billion people because of their religion, you should try to understand that the world is a complex place, with all sorts of competing ideologies, creeds, political goals and motivations. Just a thought.
 
Then post it.

Not until you ask me politely.

No, better yet.

Google it yourself.

That will stop your attacking the messenger.

If you have a problem with the Prophet's definition which you, yourself find via Google, you will have yourself, Google and Islam to quibble with.
 
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Did I mention the whole "Islamophobia" thing yet? ;)

Muslims in American are no more or less likely to flout the law due to religious beliefs than will devout Christians, devout Jews, devout Hindus and so on.

Not so.

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26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.

ZERO Terrorist attacks by Christians since 9/11/01.

You are woefully under informed or you are being disingenuous as is encouraged in Islam.

Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.

The Fictional Mohammed - Political Islam

The issue of your veracity or ignorance is at question here not of the facts of the life of the perfect Muslim (Mohammed) and His example in life, His teachings to his loved ones (friends and family) to do as He did and His orders to all Muslims until the end of time to do as He did.

And which a certain unsettling % of Muslims are actively obeying.

And those who are not violently inclined ARE still Jihadists (or else they are not Muslim but hypocrites, apostates or Munafiques) and are still obliged to do their part, hidden or open, large or small, violent or non violent, to help the progress of Islam toward global dominatuion.

And in no case are Muslims, no matter how nice they may seem, to stand in the way of true muslims, like ISIS, for example.

So, when the Jihad comes to their door will they side with their Kafir brethren or their Muslim brethren?

Don't bother answering.

We all know the truth.
When jihad comes, a munafiq is not neutral. He is on the side of jihad, rather than on the side of Kafirs. A munafiq is silent when the jihadists knock on their non-Muslim neighbor’s door. The reason for this silence is in the Koran (28.86) ‘never be a supporter of the disbelievers’.

Munafiqs can be reactivated in jihad

One of the surprising things about Islam is how non-practicing Muslims often return to active service in jihad. Sometimes it only takes a personal contact or a rousing sermon to turn a non-practicing, ‘moderate’ Muslim into a jihadist. This is similar to the recruitment of young pacifists in time of war. The Tsarnaev brothers were nice, ‘moderate’ Muslims and then they became religious jihadists.

When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam

Face it, there are just too many taqiyyah practicing Muslims in America for a really sincerely America loving Muslim to be trusted.

And don't blame me.

Blame Islam.

Although what's the likelihood of that?

And if a sincere American loving Muslim DID blame Islam why should we believe him if Islam encourages lying?

See what I mean?
 
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26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.
ZERO Terrorist attacks by Christians since 9/11/01.
Did you forget about Anders Behring Breivik? The 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin? The assassination of George Tiller? Jim David Adkisson's random shooting in a church? Ever hear of the Army of God? You do know that the Lord's Resistance Army (the insurgency led by the now-infamous Joseph Kony) is inspired and motivated by Christian-based religious beliefs?

How many drone strikes and bomb strikes has the US ordered on Muslim targets?

How many Muslim nations have been invaded by nations predominantly led by Christians?

How many victims of those attacks were Muslims?

How many Christians have committed homicides since 2001?

Did the world exist before 2001? Was the KKK not essentially a Christian segregationist terrorist group for decades? Didn't European Christians spend most of the past 1800 years in perpetual warfare, mostly against one another?

There are 1.5 billion Muslims. What percentage of Muslims were involved in those terrorist attacks?

Please, spare me your incredibly selective claims.


The issue of your veracity or ignorance is at question here....
Actually, it's your veracity, ignorance and bias that's the problem. You appear to have read one Islamophobic website, and willfully ignore or misrepresent what's happening in the real world. It's not impressive.


those who are not violently inclined ARE still Jihadists....
That's like saying that "all Christians actively proselytize, even when they are sitting at home on their couch and not trying to convert anyone to Christianity.

There are millions of Muslims who are not trying to convert the entire planet to Islam. Somehow, I doubt you have the status within the Muslim community to command they do otherwise.


And in no case are Muslims, no matter how nice they may seem, to stand in the way of true muslims, like ISIS, for example.
So you not only tell Muslims how to behave, you unilaterally decide who is and is not a "true" Muslim? Yeah, I don't think so.

ISIL is no more the "True Muslims" than the Crusaders were the only "True Christians" in Medieval Europe, or the harshest of Inquisitors were the only "True Catholics."


So, when the Jihad comes to their door will they side with their Kafir brethren or their Muslim brethren? Don't bother answering. We all know the truth.
There are probably around 31,000 active ISIL militants. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. ISIL makes up around 0.002% of all Muslims, and ISIL spends most of its time killing other Muslims. Yes, we all know the truth, that the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not support ISIL.

Most Muslims don't care about the Isis Caliphate - Telegraph

Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

A Muslim's Ramadan Message to ISIS: You Don't Speak for Islam | Qasim Rashid

Meanwhile, there is still no recognition on your part that Muslims do in fact condemn terrorist acts committed by other Muslims or criticize ISIL. Go figure.
 
Not until you ask me politely.

No, better yet.

Google it yourself.

That will stop your attacking the messenger.

If you have a problem with the Prophet's definition which you, yourself find via Google, you will have yourself, Google and Islam to quibble with.

In my post I was not rude.
 
By the way, that "Political Islam" site? It's set up by a for-profit anti-Muslim group, run by a guy named Bill French aka Bill Warner. He has zero training in religious studies, US law, Sharia law or Islam, he's a former physics professor and now a full-time crank. He apparently doesn't understand Islam or Sharia at all, but he apparently does think he knows how to make a profit as a fear-monger.

Next time, you might want to be a tad more judicious about your sources.
 
In my post I was not rude.

I sniffed a bit of something.

I thought it emanated from the curtness of your post.

Maybe it was my upper lip I smelled.

In any event, did you Google Mohammed's definition?
 
Not so.

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26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.
In the US post 911 till 2012/2105
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

This from post 911 til 2015
Islamic terror attacks on US soil

Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.

RWF attacks on US sol from post 911 til 2012

In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.

Other sites-agencies that collect the data as you will see from the link, vary little.
And now the clincher.
More than 215,000 murders since post 911.
 
By the way, that "Political Islam" site? It's set up by a for-profit anti-Muslim group, run by a guy named Bill French aka Bill Warner. He has zero training in religious studies, US law, Sharia law or Islam, he's a former physics professor and now a full-time crank. He apparently doesn't understand Islam or Sharia at all, but he apparently does think he knows how to make a profit as a fear-monger.

Next time, you might want to be a tad more judicious about your sources.

Gee, then it shouldn't be at all difficult for you to discredit his quotations from the Koran, Sira or Hadith, since that is where he gets his information.

I've got popcorn in the pantry and beer in the fridge.

I'll wait for you to begin before I break open either one.
 
I sniffed a bit of something.

I thought it emanated from the curtness of your post.

Maybe it was my upper lip I smelled.

In any event, did you Google Mohammed's definition?

Nope- I had asked for your interpretation of Jihad.
And we went from there.
Up to you if we carry on a discussion.
 
In the US post 911 till 2012/2105
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

This from post 911 til 2015
Islamic terror attacks on US soil



RWF attacks on US sol from post 911 til 2012



Other sites-agencies that collect the data as you will see from the link, vary little.
And now the clincher.

Why limit yourself!

As Islam claims the entire Globe for Allah why limit yourself to just the USA?

That's as disingenuous as your doctor sending you home with a clean bill of health because the cancerous lesion on your lung hasn't yet metastasized to your brain, breasts, ovaries, colon or etc.

See?

Nothing to worry about at all.

Now, 'Stay quiet and you'll be OK,' Atta told passengers...
 
And now the clincher.
More than 215,000 murders since post 911.

More than 215,000 murders since post 911.

And now for the clincher:

NONE of those murders were committed in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
Did you forget about Anders Behring Breivik? The 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin? The assassination of George Tiller? Jim David Adkisson's random shooting in a church? Ever hear of the Army of God? You do know that the Lord's Resistance Army (the insurgency led by the now-infamous Joseph Kony) is inspired and motivated by Christian-based religious beliefs?



Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.

The Fictional Mohammed - Political Islam
 
Why limit yourself!

As Islam claims the entire Globe for Allah why limit yourself to just the USA?

That's as disingenuous as your doctor sending you home with a clean bill of health because the cancerous lesion on your lung hasn't yet metastasized to your brain, breasts, ovaries, colon or etc.

See?

Nothing to worry about at all.

Now, 'Stay quiet and you'll be OK,' Atta told passengers...
As I mentioned in an earlier post the truth stinks, i posted the facts for the US.
Facts, over 215,000 murders post 911.
More people died from ladder accidents in and I am assuming any 2 possible 3 years than from Islamic and RWF terror attacks combined.
RWF committed more terror attacks causing more deaths on US soil then Islams extremists attacks on US soil.
What I have seen so far are links to extremist sites, who have 1 purpose, demonize all Muslims.
And in the end you play games, insult other members who disagree, yet claim you wish a discussion.
You are quite the Fedayeen.
 
More than 215,000 murders since post 911.

And now for the clincher:

NONE of those murders were committed in the name of Jesus Christ.

Neither were the Islamic Terrorists killing in the name of JC. And that roves what?
What about the RWF attacks?
 
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