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Do you believe Bush was a good president?

Do you believe George W Bush was a good president?

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SenorXm/Sirius said:
LOL.. This thread is about Bush, so there's a pretty good chance his name, and his awful presidency will be discussed.
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I was just thinking out loud about what the people answering the poll were thinking, as the poster asked. I'm willing to bet my guess was pretty accurate.
 
Gaius46 said:
Presidents often become more popular once out of office. It's nothing new.

Hell I hated him as President and even I kinda like the guy after seeing some of his post Presidency interviews. Doesn't mean I've changed my opinion of his time in office in any way.
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Keep reading and you'll see I basically agree with that.
 
Texmex said:
You're doing a heck of a job Brownie. Remember those words?
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And he was absolutely right.

A lesser FEMA administrator would have stuck to FEMA's actual legal mandate and responsibility which would have resolutely denied services to any but a functional local government.

And a lesser FEMA administrator would have been overwhelmed when asked to do more than his job description called for when the locals failed in their responsibilities, which would have prolonged and exacerbated the victims' plight.

Brownie rose to the occasion and became the savior the Gulf region residents were denied by the failure of local government officials.

Literally, Brownie saved their asses.

And this is the thanks he gets from the shum dit media and haters.

Now go forth and never sully Bushy's or Brownie's good names again!
 
X Factor said:
Keep reading and you'll see I basically agree with that.
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Yeah I should really refrain from answering page 1 posts in a 15 page thread without before actually reading the whole damn thing..........
 
radcen said:
...and worse.
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For sure. I don't think....actually, I never thought, Bush II was the devil liberals made him out to be. He is, in my opinion, just a another president, in an increasingly long list of presidents, that the history books will devote a paragraph or so to in middle school, and that will be that. He won't be remember, either positively or negatively, beyond these next two generations or not. He's no Lincoln, no FDR, no Teddy, no Ike. He's just...blah. He did the job, the job ended, and he went home.
 
George Bush. Dick Cheney. John Bolton. Donald Rumsfeld. Paul Wolfowitz. And and the rest and their 'lets remake the world' agenda is a very large reason I am no longer a Republican.

We went from being the world's cop to being the world's bully.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
LOL.. This thread is about Bush, so there's a pretty good chance his name, and his awful presidency will be discussed.
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Stop pretending to be clueless.

The point is that the motivation to lash out at Bushy, for many Obama lickers, comes when they do a mental comparison between the two and they find it unacceptable that their own political judgment was SO SOOOOO wrong and they need to make themselves feel less toolish.

So they feel compelled to pile on when asked to opine on Bushy's job performance.

As if that will assuage their deserved feelings of inferiority.

:lamo
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Stop pretending to be clueless.

The point is that the motivation to lash out at Bushy, for many Obama lickers, comes when they do a mental comparison between the two and they find it unacceptable that their own political judgment was SO SOOOOO wrong and they need to make themselves feel less toolish.

So they feel compelled to pile on when asked to opine on Bushy's job performance.

As if that will assuage their deserved feelings of inferiority.

:lamo
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So just curious are you short selling now?
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Stop pretending to be clueless.

The point is that the motivation to lash out at Bushy, for many Obama lickers, comes when they do a mental comparison between the two and they find it unacceptable that their own political judgment was SO SOOOOO wrong and they need to make themselves feel less toolish.

So they feel compelled to pile on when asked to opine on Bushy's job performance.
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No more then the right's drooling fascination has with Bill Clinton.

And with Bush it is really, really easy to pile on. The man was an awful president.
 
99percenter said:
I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
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Absolutely not. He initially campaigned on this platform of no nation building and betrayed that as soon as he got the chance. He was a horrible President, as bad as Obama, and grew the government in horrific ways that were then continued by Obama.

All around terrible.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
George Bush. Dick Cheney. John Bolton. Donald Rumsfeld. Paul Wolfowitz. And and the rest and their 'lets remake the world' agenda is a very large reason I am no longer a Republican.

We went from being the world's cop to being the world's bully.
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There are some Gays who choose to be homosexuals.

There are some voters who voted GOP who choose to be Republicans.

Neo Cons are new conservatives. Liberals who saw the light and chose to become Conservatives.

Neo cons are the ones at the heart of the causes which impelled you to your separation.

And it also says something about your true orientation.

Does the term, RINO, mean anything to you?
 
Ikari said:
Absolutely not. He initially campaigned on this platform of no nation building and betrayed that as soon as he got the chance. He was a horrible President, as bad as Obama, and grew the government in horrific ways that were then continued by Obama.

All around terrible.
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ALL about trying to reach across the political divide to give the LW'ers and LW Americans a little of what he believed would make them happy and show that he was was trying to be a POTUS for ALL of America.

And this is how he is thanked by BOTH sides.

All it proves is that the next GOP POTUS should absolutely and completely stick to his Conservative 'guns' and not acquiesce in the name of bridge building to the Left as it won't help America, it won't appease them anyway and it will make him sorry he even tried!

A message to Mr. Cruz and Mr. Walker form Mr. Miyagi-san:

 
Tazmanian Devil said:
ALL about trying to reach across the political divide to give the LW'ers and LW Americans a little of what he believed would make them happy and show that he was was trying to be a POTUS for ALL of America.

And this is how he is thanked by BOTH sides.

All it proves is that the next GOP POTUS should absolutely and completely stick to his Conservative 'guns' and not acquiesce in the name of bridge building to the Left as it won't help America, it won't appease them anyway and it will make him sorry he even tried!

A message to Mr. Cruz and Mr. Walker form Mr. Miyagi-san:

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The next GOP president will be a Republocrat Status Quo Supporter like Bush and Obama. He didn't try to "reach across the isle", our politics have been of a huge slide down partisanship and polarization, and this was happening during Bush's reign as well. As evidence by your post itself.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
No more then the right's drooling fascination has with Bill Clinton.

And with Bush it is really, really easy to pile on. The man was an awful president.
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If/when a Ben Franklin style list of pro's and con's is ever done for both BJ Clinton and W's presidency I think you would be left sputtering the "but...but's."
 
Ikari said:
The next GOP president will be a Republocrat Status Quo Supporter like Bush and Obama. He didn't try to "reach across the isle", our politics have been of a huge slide down partisanship and polarization, and this was happening during Bush's reign as well. As evidence by your post itself.
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I haven't the time nor inclination to educate you at the moment.

But you have a lot to learn.
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
I haven't the time nor inclination to educate you at the moment.

But you have a lot to learn.
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Mmmm, I doubt you have the capacity for teaching, but that aside. Bush and Obama are essentially the same President and the next we get, R or D, will be the same.
 
KevinKohler said:
For sure. I don't think....actually, I never thought, Bush II was the devil liberals made him out to be. He is, in my opinion, just a another president, in an increasingly long list of presidents, that the history books will devote a paragraph or so to in middle school, and that will be that. He won't be remember, either positively or negatively, beyond these next two generations or not. He's no Lincoln, no FDR, no Teddy, no Ike. He's just...blah. He did the job, the job ended, and he went home.
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Wow. A rational assessment of Bush II on DP. Who'da thunk it?

Needless to say, I completely agree. He's probably going to be remembered as just another President.
 
radcen said:
Wow. A rational assessment of Bush II on DP. Who'da thunk it?

Needless to say, I completely agree. He's probably going to be remembered as just another President.
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He set the tone for the 21st Century.

And even though it wasn't a perfect tone nor a perfect administration, it was more right than wrong and more effective than not and more conciliatory and hopeful than many of his haters deserve.

Here's another example of something Bushy did which NO ONE EVER talks about.

He kept Muslims safe in America after 9/11 when the Bubba Force was ready to target every Muslim in sight.

He made nice with Jihadists (either in ignorance or as a deft act of political wisdom) in the White House after 9/11 and convinced most Americans not to see Muslims as the enemy inside our country, even though, technically, they are.

And to really issue a chill pill to even the most reactionary US Patriots, he enacted the Patriot Act.

It was a STRONG dose of medicine which even made loyal Americans ill (figuratively?) because of its intrusiveness, and it was strong enough to convince those who might have otherwise taken the law into their own hands, that there was no need to do that. The Federal Government was taking aggressive action to keep us safe from jihad.

Only that was sufficient to keep a lid on domestic Patriotic tempers.

Every single Muslim in America owes his and her safety since 9/11 DIRECTLY to W's actions and decisions and policies.

He was a better president than most of us realize and better than most deserved.

And as a bonus benefit, anyone who has read or viewed enough of Dr. Bill Warner's work knows that the Koran mandates that Muslims come to the aid of other Muslims who are under attack especially when they are attacked for their religion and especially under attack by "Amerreekan Christians".

If hundreds of Muslims in America were killed by Bubbas every American Muslim would be compelled to go active Jihadist as their religious duty requires and Jihadists from all over the globe would go on the war path.

And that would have been ugly and life affecting for every one of us and in ways you can not even imagine.

Bushy deftly avoided ALL of that.

How much more significant could a POTUS be?
 
disneydude said:
I read a great deal which is why I understand the issues. I don't know of anyone (with at least a fringe of credibility) who would say that a victory in Iraq was ever achieved. The goalposts were constantly changed to measure success and the goals of the invasion changed more than Mitt Romney changed positions.
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Both BHO and VP Biden applauded the Iraq victory in 2011, even as they undermined it. The book I linked in this thread explains how they threw that victory away.
 
Texmex said:
Uh-oh, someone's been listening to Sean Hannity again. :lamo

As to the OP, Bush is near the bottom. He's just a little above Reagan, who died on this day in 2004, eleven years ago. So sad. :lol:
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RWR was the second greatest POTUS of the 20th century, trailing only FDR.
 
Jack Hays said:
Both BHO and VP Biden applauded the Iraq victory in 2011, even as they undermined it. The book I linked in this thread explains how they threw that victory away.
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You start with a faulty premise....so your conclusion is faulty as well. There never was a "victory" in Iraq. Sorry to burst your bubble. GWB tried to claim victory...but that was simply to try to make himself look better on the way out the door, knowing full well that he was leaving a mess for the next guy to clean up. I don't know of any credible foreign policy expert that would claim there was ever a "victory" in Iraq. Quite the contrary....most have said that "Victory" was never really achievable because if you understood the factions going into it, you would know that destablilzing Iraq would be the catalyst for groups like ISIS to form. Cheney/Rumsfield and GWB didn't do their homework. They had the faulty notion that the US would be greeted as "liberators" and that they would be able to establish a US supported democratic government there. This was never a possibility. Thus....once they started the ball rolling there was no way to ever get it back and anyone who still to this day believes that Victory was EVER achievable, let alone actually achieved, is either ignorant or a fool.
 
Texmex said:
You're doing a heck of a job Brownie. Remember those words?
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Prior to Katrina, disaster response doctrine (for decades) was that the feds act in support of state and local authorities, who are presumed to know their states/localities better. Brownie was undercut by the complete disappearance of Louisiana and New Orleans efforts, giving the feds no one to support and no communication into the disaster zone. The press and media, frustrated by not being able to lay a glove on GWB over Iraq or anything else to that point, focused on Brownie to attack GWB. Brownie had in fact acted appropriately but he was jettisoned to relieve the political pressure.
 
Gaius46 said:
Yeah I should really refrain from answering page 1 posts in a 15 page thread without before actually reading the whole damn thing..........
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No worries. I do that all the time. Even in RL, I'm the guy that has no problem interjecting myself in the middle of a conversation.
 
disneydude said:
You start with a faulty premise....so your conclusion is faulty as well. There never was a "victory" in Iraq. Sorry to burst your bubble. GWB tried to claim victory...but that was simply to try to make himself look better on the way out the door, knowing full well that he was leaving a mess for the next guy to clean up. I don't know of any credible foreign policy expert that would claim there was ever a "victory" in Iraq. Quite the contrary....most have said that "Victory" was never really achievable because if you understood the factions going into it, you would know that destablilzing Iraq would be the catalyst for groups like ISIS to form. Cheney/Rumsfield and GWB didn't do their homework. They had the faulty notion that the US would be greeted as "liberators" and that they would be able to establish a US supported democratic government there. This was never a possibility. Thus....once they started the ball rolling there was no way to ever get it back and anyone who still to this day believes that Victory was EVER achievable, let alone actually achieved, is either ignorant or a fool.
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BHO and Biden both claimed victory, not GWB. You really should take a look at the book I linked.
 
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