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Do you believe Bush was a good president?

Do you believe George W Bush was a good president?

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99percenter said:
Yep. Not really a tough concept at all. Many conservatives are just butthurt obama is better than bush. Then again its not hard to be better than bush. He set the bar so low. It's almost as if bush wanted to be known as the worst potus in history. He probably knew he will never be the best so he just went for the worst. He succeeded if that was his goal.
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Obama is better for those who hate America
for those who suck on the public teat
for those who are ultra rich and want to be even richer through crony capitalism
for Putin
for ISSIS

for Gun banners
For union thugs

among others
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is too early to rank Clinton, G.W. or Obama... it takes a while. Also, most of the "worst" were before and after the single largest travesty ever to hit the nation... the Civil War.

That said, Obama will easily be in the worst catagory in a couple of decades and I bet Bush will climb up as perspective takes a hold of people's emotions.
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Amongst current presidential scholars, Obama is viewed quite favorably; a better than average President, about on par with Reagan.

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush, OTH, not so much....
 
99percenter said:
Bush was president and the buck stops with him. You don't blame the guy before you 8 years into your presidency. And bush was the one who decided to give poor people home loans.
He thinks its his biggest accomplishment
Record of Achievement - Expanding Home Ownership
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Nice try, but it was Clinton's Sub-Prime mortgage fiasco that blew up.

Bush tried to regulate it, but butt-baby Barney Frank said no, Fannie and Freddie were fine.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
 
upsideguy said:
Amongst current presidential scholars, Obama is viewed quite favorably; a better than average President, about on par with Reagan.

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush, OTH, not so much....
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you mean people who suck on the public teat who trade honesty for fluffing their idol? real scholars say it takes decades to really evaluate a president. what do you think the voting patterns are of "current presidential scholars"

its like citing "Journalists who cover the presidency". I think in 2004 88% admitted to voting for Kerry
 
TurtleDude said:
you mean people who suck on the public teat who trade honesty for fluffing their idol? real scholars say it takes decades to really evaluate a president. what do you think the voting patterns are of "current presidential scholars"

its like citing "Journalists who cover the presidency". I think in 2004 88% admitted to voting for Kerry
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I surprised that 12% of anyone would admit to voting for Bush....especially the second time around. Doh!
 
We all owe him a debt of gratitude for keeping us safe, keeping us fueled with the petrol we need like our life's blood, making prescription medicine more affordable, sending a crap load of aid & $$$ to Africa to fight HIV/AIDS, for insuring that Israel did not go up in a mushroom cloud and for preventing WWIII.

Giving him oral favors won't be necessary (as some would have gladly given B.J Clinton or BHO).

A simple thank you and including him in your prayers will probably do.

He is a fine man and a credit to America.

History will be deservedly kind to his administration.

He really tried to do a good job for America.
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
We all owe him a debt of gratitude for keeping us safe, keeping us fueled with the petrol we need like our life's blood, making prescription medicine more affordable, sending a crap load of aid & $$$ to Africa to fight HIV/AIDS, for insuring that Israel did not go up in a mushroom cloud and for preventing WWIII.

Giving him oral favors won't be necessary (as some would have gladly given B.J Clinton or BHO).

A simple thank you and including him in your prayers will probably do.

He is a fine man and a credit to America.

History will be deservedly kind to his administration.

He really tried to do a good job for America.
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Who are you talking about?
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
We all owe him a debt of gratitude for keeping us safe, making prescription medicine more affordable.

He really tried to do a good job for America.
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But he didn't keep us safe?
Obama made healthcare more affordable, you must support that as well.
Trying doesn't mean anything.
 
Bush did great work with AIDs in Africa.
And he signed Medicare-part D.
He spoke with a comforting manner that brought the Nation together after 9/11 .
 
Fruityfact said:
But he didn't keep us safe?
Obama made healthcare more affordable, you must support that as well.
Trying doesn't mean anything.
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Horror stories about ACA will start to emerge once it is no longer easy to repeal.

Mark my words.

And the thing you fail to recognize is that Obama has always intended ACA to be a single payer plan.

And I'll leave it to you to figure out why that is bad.

But know this.

Obamacare will eventually give the Federal government our sovereignty.

You may ask, "What you talkin bout, Taz?"

Well, I'm going to leave that to you to figure out as well.

Some of you already know what I mean. And others should remember that you heard it here first.

ACA is a fruit from a poisoned tree.

Eat from it at your own peril.

Every stage of its existence has been a curse or accursed.

Anyone who needs it and likes it, good for you.

And good luck.
 
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Tazmanian Devil said:
making prescription medicine more affordable
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I clipped this part for a reason.
Most partisans, including me when I'm in the mood, would remind you of the negative roll-out of Medicare-part D.
I would also remind you that DEMs in Congress helped Mr. Bush fix this problem.
Until we start speaking with each other as to how we can work together, we are a House divided mentally.

We have not seen the same working together on PPACA, even though so many of the ideas originated with the GOP.
The USSC decision on ACA this month will have profound effects on our Nation with the two parties not working together.
I'm sure you're paying attention to how your GOP can't work with itself either, such as the Ex-Im Bank going up in flames this month.

Ever since Lincoln, the GOP has been the party of ideas.
My DEM friends should listen carefully as I do.
I'm hearing some very good ideas right now as the 19 candidates try to differentiate themselves from each other .
 
NIMBY said:
I clipped this part for a reason.
Most partisans, including me when I'm in the mood, would remind you of the negative roll-out of Medicare-part D.
I would also remind you that DEMs in Congress helped Mr. Bush fix this problem.
Until we start speaking with each other as to how we can work together, we are a House divided mentally.

We have not seen the same working together on PPACA, even though so many of the ideas originated with the GOP.
The USSC decision on ACA this month will have profound effects on our Nation with the two parties not working together.
I'm sure you're paying attention to how your GOP can't work with itself either, such as the Ex-Im Bank going up in flames this month.

Ever since Lincoln, the GOP has been the party of ideas.
My DEM friends should listen carefully as I do.
I'm hearing some very good ideas right now as the 19 candidates try to differentiate themselves from each other .
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I am tired of going back to become reacquainted with the issues which I tried to tell folks about but who wouldn't listen when there was a chance to do something about it, to once again debate it and bring someone who is only NOW willing to listen, up to speed.

Ask someone else, please.

Or do what I did.

Google it.

Now I am content to let experience be the teacher while I sit back and enjoy a tall cold one and know that I tried to tell you but y'all wouldn't listen.

Fine.

By the way...

Cruz was right.

 
Tazmanian Devil said:
I am tired of going back to become reacquainted with the issues which I tried to tell folks about but who wouldn't listen when there was a chance to do something about it, to once again debate it and bring someone who is only NOW willing to listen, up to speed.
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Mr. Bush once brought up a fundamental change to Social Security--and let the trial balloon go with the blowback.
There's nothing wrong with trial balloons.

Huckabee says NO changes to SS--he's wrong.
Christie wants means testing, especially for the rich who have far more than they'll ever need--he's correct.
AARP and an even more adamant group that advocates for retired people like me (I'm 61-YO) will oppose this.

Rep. Paul Ryan/Sen. Patty Murray in their two-year budget in Dec. 2013 tried to take away one COLA point from Veteran's pensions on a means-tested basis.
They were correct--would have saved close to $10 billion from the gold-stars.
Neo-Cons in both parties shot that one down.

If you haven't seen it, try Sen. Coburn's Back-in-Black plan of 2011.
I support his call for a Constitutional Convention--with one goal being a balanced budget amendment .
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Cruz was right.
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We're not going to agree on Cruz.
I saw his whole interview on Neil Cavuto today--hard-hitting--follow-up questioning when Cavuto felt Cruz was ducking, dodging, incorrect.
At every chance, Cruz tried to play the "I get along with everybody" card.
When Cavuto pointed out clear differences in policy with the other 18 candidates.

What's still pissing me about him right now is his Biden joke.
Even GOP pundits are ripping him for not apologizing the same way he said the joke.
In person--not this twitter and face book crap--he lost some GOPs on this one .
 
NIMBY said:
Bush did great work with AIDs in Africa.
And he signed Medicare-part D.
He spoke with a comforting manner that brought the Nation together after 9/11 .
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I'll give him the first two. And while I think Bush did as well as anyone could have in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I don't really think he did BETTER than, say, a President Gore would have. I know our GOP brethren would have you believe that Gore would have issued copies of the Koran to every American citizen on 9/12, but to be honest, I have little doubt things would have progressed exactly as they did for at least a year -- including the establishment of the DHS, the TSA, and the PATRIOT Act.
 
G.W. Bush isn't the worst president ever, but he's down there mighty close to the bottom.

I predict that historians (Most of whom are liberals.) Will give him the harsh judgement that he deserves.

Wait and see.
 
shrubnose said:
G.W. Bush isn't the worst president ever, but he's down there mighty close to the bottom.

I predict that historians (Most of whom are liberals.) Will give him the harsh judgement that he deserves.

Wait and see.
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I'm still mad at myself for voting for Herbert Hoover... :lol:
 
He was bad, but the current clown is worse. Never thought I'd live to see a worse POTUS than shrub, but damn if teh people didn't pull it off. The only conceivable way to continue the downward spiral is if Clinton get's in. Literary imperative all but mandates this.
 
NIMBY said:
Mr. Bush once brought up a fundamental change to Social Security--and let the trial balloon go with the blowback.
There's nothing wrong with trial balloons.

Huckabee says NO changes to SS--he's wrong.
Christie wants means testing, especially for the rich who have far more than they'll ever need--he's correct.
AARP and an even more adamant group that advocates for retired people like me (I'm 61-YO) will oppose this.

Rep. Paul Ryan/Sen. Patty Murray in their two-year budget in Dec. 2013 tried to take away one COLA point from Veteran's pensions on a means-tested basis.
They were correct--would have saved close to $10 billion from the gold-stars.
Neo-Cons in both parties shot that one down.

If you haven't seen it, try Sen. Coburn's Back-in-Black plan of 2011.
I support his call for a Constitutional Convention--with one goal being a balanced budget amendment .
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Here's a secret of mine.

If I choose someone who I believe is ethical, courageous, conservative to his core, brilliant and cares for America, it removes from me much of the day to day sturm und drang of politics. I just don't have to become immersed in every issue that way.

Cruz or Walker in 2016.

Or Walker or Cruz in 2016.

OR Walker AND Cruz in 2016.

OR Cruz AND Walker in 2016.

See?

America wins any way you spin it.

And that way I can devote my time to an employer's (every voter is the employer of the elected officials) concern of much importance.

Golden State vs Cleveland.
 
99percenter said:
I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
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No, that does not mean he has made nothing but bad decisions. Some of them were OK, some of his behavior was OK. But the most important decisions he has made have worked out very badly for the US, the people in the US, innocent people in Iraq, US troops in Iraq and the US financial situation.

I do not mind him having started 2 wars (even though I disagree that one should have been fought right there and then), but not his pay it forward attitude. If you start a war, make sure it is fully funded. Make sure the soldiers have everything to work safely (like body armor and safe vehicles) and make sure you pay as you go. If you start 2 wars you have to make sure you fully fund them. It may not be popular but increase taxes to make sure the finances of the government do not go out of whack because of these 2 wars.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
He was bad, but the current clown is worse. Never thought I'd live to see a worse POTUS than shrub, but damn if teh people didn't pull it off. The only conceivable way to continue the downward spiral is if Clinton get's in. Literary imperative all but mandates this.
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Bush wasn't as bad as the media would have you believe. But I feel magnanimous this morning. Believe what you wish.
 
shrubnose said:
G.W. Bush isn't the worst president ever, but he's down there mighty close to the bottom.

I predict that historians (Most of whom are liberals.) Will give him the harsh judgement that he deserves.

Wait and see.
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The jury is still out, and popularity polls mean little, but W's poll numbers have just surpassed BHO's.

Hope and change, anyone?

:lamo
 
NIMBY said:
We're not going to agree on Cruz.
I saw his whole interview on Neil Cavuto today--hard-hitting--follow-up questioning when Cavuto felt Cruz was ducking, dodging, incorrect.
At every chance, Cruz tried to play the "I get along with everybody" card.
When Cavuto pointed out clear differences in policy with the other 18 candidates.

What's still pissing me about him right now is his Biden joke.
Even GOP pundits are ripping him for not apologizing the same way he said the joke.
In person--not this twitter and face book crap--he lost some GOPs on this one .
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Thanks. I will check it out.

I gotta tell you though, it would be hard for him to lose my support because he is so excellent in all other respects. But I'm still willing to be guided by the facts rather than emotion and an adherence to a foolish (if it were) consistency.
 
Bush is no longer president. After they leave office ex-presidents approval usually goes up. Bill Clinton could probably win the presidency back in 2016. When he left office he wasn't that popular.

When he left office Bush's approval rating in 2008 was about 30%.(BTW that only proves how powerful politics have become in this country. 2 wars, a huge debt and an economy that was crashing and still 1 in 3 approved of the job he was doing. LOL) Obama's now is about 45%. So no, when on the job Bush approval rating has not passed Obama's.
 
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