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Do you believe Bush was a good president?

Do you believe George W Bush was a good president?


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BHO threw away victory in Iraq and enabled the rise of ISIS. He has overseen the slowest economic growth imaginable. His international credibility is near zero. GWB made serious errors, but he did not put the fundamental position of the US at risk.


If you believe there was "victory" ever in Iraq...then you probably believed that whole "Mission Accomplished" as well. What enabled the rise of ISIS was going into Iraq and destabilizing an already volatile region. There would be no ISIS today except for GWB and the Cheney/Rumsfield neocon shortsight to invade Iraq without doing their homework as to what would happen. Sorry....but GWB has done more to put the US at risk than any President in modern history. See that is what happens when you have someone who wants to "talk tough" and "act tough" but doesn't think things through.
 
I didn't notice you telling us of all the things Obama has done wrong in cleaning up the messes you outlined that Bush did wrong.

Nor do I notice you acknowledging the fact that there is a transition between administrations.

Surely you would agree what Bush left was a catastrophe compared to what he inherited, such as a balanced budget .

Nope, since Bush wasn't the one to unbalance that budget--2001 was a Clinton budget up to October 1, remember? Bush inherited a mild recession not of his own making and that did wipe out the modest on-paper surplus. And it was greatly exacerbated in 2002 and 2003 due to 9/11 which made passing a balanced budget impossible. Clinton did not have to contend with anything remotely like a 9/11 or a Katrina and the dot.com bubble burst was a mild setback compared to the housing bubble burst of 2008. None of those things were Bush's fault. Did he handle everything as well as it could have been handled? Nope. But the fact that the problems existed were not of his doing.

Meanwhile Obama has not only not cleaned up any messes that he or anybody else made, but he has created a whole bunch of new ones.

I am not saying that President Bush was among my favorite presidents. He wasn't. But he was head and shoulders better at the job than Barack Obama has been.
 
BHO threw away victory in Iraq and enabled the rise of ISIS. He has overseen the slowest economic growth imaginable. His international credibility is near zero. GWB made serious errors, but he did not put the fundamental position of the US at risk.

... add to that this crap going on with Iran getting a nuke, insulting and condemning Israel, immigration, Russia and China challenging us... WTF? I had a very open mind with this guy and wanted the best but he is a tool messing things up on a massive scale.
 
The attack on GWB over Katrina was in fact not justified.

He didn't handle it as well as he might have, but damn, nothing like Katrina had EVER hit the USA and maybe nobody would have made all good decisions in the face of that. I don't know.
 
Voted 'yes' in comparison with our current 'president.'
 
Historians Rate Bush near the bottom of failed presidents.
 
"The bottom ten often includes Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren G. Harding, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, John Tyler, and George W. Bush."
 
GWB will forever be known as "The Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century". Sorry to burst your bubbles.
 
"The bottom ten often includes Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren G. Harding, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, John Tyler, and George W. Bush."

Link to your quote please.

I'll bet you were impressed by the Lovenstein Institute's ranking of Dubya's IW too.
 
If you believe there was "victory" ever in Iraq...then you probably believed that whole "Mission Accomplished" as well. What enabled the rise of ISIS was going into Iraq and destabilizing an already volatile region. There would be no ISIS today except for GWB and the Cheney/Rumsfield neocon shortsight to invade Iraq without doing their homework as to what would happen. Sorry....but GWB has done more to put the US at risk than any President in modern history. See that is what happens when you have someone who wants to "talk tough" and "act tough" but doesn't think things through.

Iraq

The Unraveling: High Hopes and Missed Opportunities in Iraq” is entertaining because Sky is a wry and intelligent companion. It is sad for its account of how the Obama administration squandered what Sky views as the victory that the surge had snatched from the first catastrophic years of U.S. occupation. It is enlightening for how it helps us unlearn much of what we think we know — for example, that “ancient hatreds” rending the Shiite, Sunni and Kurds make Iraq a hopeless case.


 
He didn't handle it as well as he might have, but damn, nothing like Katrina had EVER hit the USA and maybe nobody would have made all good decisions in the face of that. I don't know.

Prior to Katrina US doctrine was that the Feds acted in support of local and state authorities. In Louisiana and New Orleans those evaporated so there was no place for the Feds to plug in.
 
Better than Obama, but not great.
 
He didn't handle it as well as he might have, but damn, nothing like Katrina had EVER hit the USA and maybe nobody would have made all good decisions in the face of that. I don't know.

I've always thought the criticism of Bush during Katrina was ginned up by a hostile media.
 
"The bottom ten often includes Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren G. Harding, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, John Tyler, and George W. Bush."

It is too early to rank Clinton, G.W. or Obama... it takes a while. Also, most of the "worst" were before and after the single largest travesty ever to hit the nation... the Civil War.

That said, Obama will easily be in the worst catagory in a couple of decades and I bet Bush will climb up as perspective takes a hold of people's emotions.
 
Historians Rate Bush near the bottom of failed presidents.

"The bottom ten often includes Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren G. Harding, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, John Tyler, and George W. Bush."

You are new here, so I'll give you a friendly heads-up:

When posting something in quotes ("....."), give a link to wherever you got it from or cite the source if it's not a website.

Believe me, you'll save yourself a whole lot of hassle from other forum members.

:thumbs:
 
GWB will forever be known as "The Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century". Sorry to burst your bubbles.

... and Obama will be known as "Worse than Carter... if you can believe that ****!" :lol:
 
You are new here, so I'll give you a friendly heads-up:

When posting something in quotes ("....."), give a link to wherever you got it from or cite the source if it's not a website.

Believe me, you'll save yourself a whole lot of hassle from other forum members.

:thumbs:

Not to mention strengthening credibility. ;)
 
Prior to Katrina US doctrine was that the Feds acted in support of local and state authorities. In Louisiana and New Orleans those evaporated so there was no place for the Feds to plug in.

For sure the Louisiana governor and mayor exacerbated things. But the general handling of the clean up, relocation efforts, etc. were not as efficient as they could have been. Bush's fault? No. But it did happen under his watch so the buck stops here and all that.
 
It is too early to rank Clinton, G.W. or Obama... it takes a while. Also, most of the "worst" were before and after the single largest travesty ever to hit the nation... the Civil War.

That said, Obama will easily be in the worst catagory in a couple of decades and I bet Bush will climb up as perspective takes a hold of people's emotions.

Yes, a "historical" verdict is a wee premature here.
 
I've always thought the criticism of Bush during Katrina was ginned up by a hostile media.

For sure the MSM fanned the flames and exaggerated the negatives and went way out of their way to encourage the negativity. If they reported Barack Obama's screw ups, stumbles, and missteps with half as much as negativity as they reported with GWB, the people would have demanded Obama's ouster by now.
 
For sure the Louisiana governor and mayor exacerbated things. But the general handling of the clean up, relocation efforts, etc. were not as efficient as they could have been. Bush's fault? No. But it did happen under his watch so the buck stops here and all that.

That's certainly a reasonable view. Politically the attacks on GWB had already crescendoed long before clean up or relocation.
 
That's certainly a reasonable view. Politically the attacks on GWB had already crescendoed long before clean up or relocation.

Yes, they had. Remember Condi Rice being criticized for shopping in NYC (or wherever she was)?
 
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