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Not really, just asking a question.
Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
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I wish i could click on ( like) but it disappeared. If the people will get organized we can still break off in the govs. backsides.Well, the problem with that though is - the people sitting on our courts have themselves been indoctrinated into the same leftist worldviews that dominate our society. As such, almost everyone, including the people working in our courts and institutions, believe that government is, and should be, a positive force for "good".
Once certain phrases and interpretations of the Constitution cleared the way for the government to do almost anything it wanted, unaccountable to anyone, our fate was sealed. Once "... promote the general welfare" became an empowering clause; and, "... necessary and proper" came to mean Dept's and agencies can make law; and the "...commerce clause" was expanded to give the FedGov almost dictatorial power over all commerce and business in the country; et al...
Our Founding Fathers crafted a negative document that was intended to empower the FedGov with certain enumerated powers, and all other matters and concerns were to fall under the authority of the states and the people themselves. They warned that if the constrictive nature of the document were subverted or overwritten, as it has been today, that liberty will not last long thereafter.
If we don't have the Constitution, i.e. the rule of law, to protect us from the government - then what does protect us from the government?? If the government can simply pass The Patriot Act, and render the 4th Amendment completely null and void - how is any citizen actually safe from such an unconstrained, unaccountable government??
The lesson of government throughout history is - that governments will always, eventually come to terrorize and subjugate its citizens. We're well on to that condition now.
Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
yup.. the people don't matter.. the only thing that matters is government.
that's pretty common outlook in this country anymore.
Constitutional Law 101: The ultimate arbiters of what is and is not constitutional is the federal courts.
If you don't accept that, then you don't accept the constitution.
that's true.. the judiciual is hte final arbiter.
which brings me to a question.... if the "laymens" interpretation doesn't matter... how does a Constitutional question ever make it in front of the court?... and why do they allow the plaintiff to present an argument?
They hire a lawyer that's how. A laymen could hire a lawyer and challenge just about anything, it doesn't mean there is any merit to his case. The fact is people make all sorts of absurd claims about the constitution and everyone of them are irrelevant unless the federal court system agrees with them.
I think you are missing the point here....these cases don't magically appear.... all of them are based in the interpretations of the plaintiffs.
....you know, the interpretations you say don't matter.
it's absurd to argue their interpretations do not matter... they are at the very root of constitutional cases.
they very well may end up being wrong... but those interpretations are absolutely imperative to our system.... as the courts do not review laws upon passage, those claims you find to "not matter" represent the entire basis for our federal courts.
And their opinion only matters when the courts agree to hear the case.
Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
I voted "...should never..."
I don't worry too much about it. Don't play gotcha games over it. With our checks and balances, we're fairly protected.
Constitutional Law 101: The ultimate arbiters of what is and is not constitutional is the federal courts.
If you don't accept that, then you don't accept the constitution.