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Black Lives, Blue Lives or Something Else. Which lives matter?

Which lives matter?


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Because the odds of being killed by a cop while unarmed are far higher if you're black. It doesn't need to be said that white lives matter, because this never happens to them, and saying all lives matter is too general to get the point across.

Never is not the right word at all. It does happen to them. In fact, plenty of white people are killed by police, even unarmed white people. Being unarmed however does not mean that you are not a danger to the police.

Salt Lake cop cleared in shooting of unarmed white man | WREG.com

There is a lot of difference in how recent events are treated due to the massive amount of reactions before anything can even start, well before any investigations are done into the incidents.
 
And this is where your short-sightedness is not serving you well. You can arrogantly dismiss others as "lazy" and/or "dumb"... not very tolerant for such a proud liberal, btw... if you want, when the results don't suit your desired purpose, but reality is that only a minority of people regarding ANY issue are as heavily invested as they probably should be.
But again, what slogan or title do you think would better get the point across to the people you're talking about? You keep saying the slogan is divisive so I assume you have an alternative unless it's really just the movement itself, not just the packaging, that you have a problem with.
 
"Black Lives Matter" is not just a response to the constant shooting of unarmed black men and women. It a sentiment from a minority in this country that is still by and large not liked by the majority.

Many black people feel like there are in a country that doesn't want them, that seems to hate them, and see them as monsters. Many African Americans feel like that don't matter to the one race in this country that is pulling most of the strings here.

Until the African American community shakes off the victim mentality you exhibit here, there will always be racial conflict in this country.

How could the perception be that this country "doesn't want [African Americans]" when the welfare system is racially asymmetric, as is community development relative to injections into the tax system? One race is basically subsidizing another in this country.

Not to mention, most academics and "intellectuals" are champions for your "cause", as are the MSM. If anything, there's been a coordinated attack on the group that has been most integral to this nation that is gaining steam. The bigotry will rise further as the impact of demographic transition is felt.
 
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I suspect that if people are too lazy or too dumb to understand that the Black Lives Matter movement is about raising awareness about and putting a stop to poor treatment of black people by police and government in general, they would probably be too lazy or dumb to understand it no matter how it was packaged.

Black people's interests are elevated above those of whites, Hispanics or Asians by the government. In twenty years it will be more pronounced, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised to see full blown affirmative action accompanying further rising black homicide rates and an expansion to the welfare system. It goes without saying that those of your ilk, the unabashed baiters who don't want to admit that they want a racial war of sorts, will gain in number but more importantly power.
 
"Black Lives Matter" works as a slogan because it has leads to discussion. With that being said, I am not sure how you pick and choose when to see race and not. It seems to me a lot of people are saying All Lives Matter, All Families Love Their Children, etc., but when you really start getting into the meat of the conversation, many of you single out the black race for negative purposes only.

What specifically is your argument and crux of your issue with the slogan? Do you need to see evidence that black lives matter to black people? Do you think that black people don't value any lives as much as other races? The slogan isn't always used when a white person kills a black, as many of you keep saying. It's used in Baltimore where black officers were indicted for Freddie Grey's death.

Yes, there is a lot of crime and violence in black neighborhoods. Yes, there are serious issues facing the black community, and Jesse Jackson isn't a good leader or spokesperson, but you don't have to be black to legitimately care and want to see black communities improve. All through our history, white people have cared. White people endangered their families by giving runaway slaves safe homes. White, black, asian, it doesn't matter. You can have a better conservation. We could expect all of our leaders, of all racial backgrounds, to offer solutions where Jackson fails. The conversation is never handled in a way that actually benefits the black community. If anything, the conversation involves a lot of benelovent racism, finger pointing at black people, and a general attitude that black people need to be saved from themselves and need to get over their victim complex.

It's not a fair attitude to have towards an entire racial segment.


Yeah I kind of said something similar, but was told I didn't understand history or reality. :roll:

According to FBI.gov statistics, in 2013, 2,500 white boys killed other white boys. 2,245 black boys killed other black boys.

So how about we go back to the way it should be - all lives matter. Those white boys didn't deserve to die, but they did. No marches there. The black boys didn't deserve to die, but they did. No marches there, either.

According to the same statistics chart, 409 black boys killed white boys, while 189 white boys killed black boys.

An awful lot of killing going on here, but where's the march for them? Where's the cutesy, trendy little hash tag for them? This is all just for attention. A cop shoots a thug coming after him and all of a sudden, race baiter Jesse Jackson and others have to get involved. Doesn't matter that the kid strong-armed a store owner and robbed him. Doesn't matter that the kid was twice the size of the cop and was coming after him.

Why didn't Jesse Jackson organize marches for the 2,245 black boys that were killed by other black boys? I'll tell you why. Because he is a pot stirrer of the worst kind, and if he can find a pot to stir, he's gonna do it. But he won't say "black lives matter" if blacks are killing other blacks. I hate that he puts himself on the same level as Martin Luther King, Jr. He is NOTHING like MLKJR. NOTHING. Martin Luther King, Jr wanted equal rights for all. All Jesse Jackson says is "black lives matter." I wonder what MLKJR would say about that. He would probably say, "Yes, they do, but so do white lives, and red lives, and yellow lives, because all lives are the same in the sight of God. A soul has no color."
 
Never is not the right word at all. It does happen to them. In fact, plenty of white people are killed by police, even unarmed white people. Being unarmed however does not mean that you are not a danger to the police.

Salt Lake cop cleared in shooting of unarmed white man | WREG.com

There is a lot of difference in how recent events are treated due to the massive amount of reactions before anything can even start, well before any investigations are done into the incidents.

That reads completely like a suicide by cop, not remotely the same thing as what we've seen on film out of WA, where 3 cops at the same time killed an unarmed black guy who had stopped attempting to flee and was just standing

or rodney king, or jim crow south, if you want to go back far enough

or perhaps being unarmed and black is inherently suicide by cop?
 
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All Jesse Jackson says is "black lives matter." I wonder what MLKJR would say about that. He would probably say, "Yes, they do, but so do white lives, and red lives, and yellow lives, because all lives are the same in the sight of God.
MLK would say "Black Lives Matter" since he was a huge proponent of race consciousness.

It is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing something special against the Negro for hundreds of years. How then can he be absorbed into the mainstream of American life if we do not do something special for him now, in order to balance the equation and equip him to compete on a just and equal basis?
- MLK in "Why We Can't Wait"

And then he would probably say one or both of these to you:

White America has allowed itself to be indifferent to race prejudice. - MLK in "Showdown for Nonviolence"

I am sorry to have to say that the vast majority of white Americans are racists, either consciously or unconsciously. - MLK in "Which Way Its Soul Shall Go"
 
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.

I am on Team Human Race.
 
None of the Above.

Whether a life matters depends upon the individual and what they do to make themselves either matter or not. Most people matter. But some make themselves a negative to their society, thus making their lives not matter and their death a positive.
 
That has nothing to do with the sig or whatever you saw, i'm guessing. Look at what's grabbing media attention right now and who the victims are. A statement about one group of people doesn't preclude another group. It's like if i hold up a sign saying "gay rights matter," are you gonna accuse me of implying heterosexuals shouldn't have rights?

The reason to word it this way is it *goes without saying* that the freedom of the majority is respected, but frequently not true for the minority

Nothing "goes without saying" my chrome friend. What's left unsaid can make as much of a statement as what is said. I'm noting a lot of defensiveness in this thread (not from you) which I find interesting. My question was not loaded (a loaded question would have been "which lives don't matter"). We have couple sayings that happen to be popular right now "black lives matter", "blue lives matter" etc. and I just asked which of the slogans do people side with. It's not like it isn't obvious anyway.
 
I believe human lives matter. But that's probably just "specie-ist" of me.
 
Nothing "goes without saying" my chrome friend. What's left unsaid can make as much of a statement as what is said. I'm noting a lot of defensiveness in this thread (not from you) which I find interesting. My question was not loaded (a loaded question would have been "which lives don't matter"). We have couple sayings that happen to be popular right now "black lives matter", "blue lives matter" etc. and I just asked which of the slogans do people side with. It's not like it isn't obvious anyway.
I didn't know "blue people" are constantly facing discriminatory practices and get treated unfairly because of things they have no control over like the color of their skin.
 
I didn't know "blue people" are constantly facing discriminatory practices and get treated unfairly because of things they have no control over like the color of their skin.

I hope you're only playing dumb, but I won't assume anything.
 
Seeing an avatar that says "black lives matter", let's just cut to the chase. Which lives matter? Don't be shy about it. Pick your team.

You are aware of the implication that "black lives matter" is a response to, aren't you?
 
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Are people really so confused by the "Black Lives Matter" slogan that they have to insist on this pedantic "Hurr durr I care about all lives!" distinction? Obviously the people who sport the slogan aren't saying that other peoples lives are less important. They are using the slogan because they believe there is an identifiable group of people who have been singled out for discrimination and terrible practices when it comes to their interactions with the police and that therefore their deaths should receive special attention to rectify this alleged injustice. "Black Lives Matter" is a response to a perceived injustice not some brainless belief that only 'black lives' matter.
 
Are people really so confused by the "Black Lives Matter" slogan that they have to insist on this pedantic "Hurr durr I care about all lives!" distinction? Obviously the people who sport the slogan aren't saying that other peoples lives are less important. They are using the slogan because they believe there is an identifiable group of people who have been singled out for discrimination and terrible practices when it comes to their interactions with the police and that therefore their deaths should receive special attention to rectify this alleged injustice. "Black Lives Matter" is a response to a perceived injustice not some brainless belief that only 'black lives' matter.
And therein lies the problem.
Those they choose to represent this so-called plight.
 
The problem is that they chose to represent what they believe is an injustice?
Brown? The criminal thug who had attacked an Officer?
A very poor choice (as most of them are) which just says the movement is bs whining.



Complaining about those who are treated properly based on their own actions is asinine.
It is crying wolf.


Then the retards who were originally pushing the Brown bs compound their idiocy with a Memorial Plaque based on, yep, you guessed it, more bs.
Talk about rewriting history! :doh

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Yeah, he left an afterglow of smiles alright, on the faces of criminals.
 
So now the thread has reached the point of asking everybody again, do ALL LIVES really MATTER?



Brown? The criminal thug who had attacked an Officer?
A very poor choice (as most of them are) which just says the movement is bs whining.



Complaining about those who are treated properly based on their own actions is asinine.
It is crying wolf.


Then the retards who were originally pushing the Brown bs compound their idiocy with a Memorial Plaque based on, yep, you guessed it, more bs.
Talk about rewriting history! :doh

ferguson-market-victim-2.jpg



Yeah, he left an afterglow of smiles alright, on the faces of criminals.
 
So now the thread has reached the point of asking everybody again, do ALL LIVES really MATTER?

In context...how is it demonstrated that all these other lives matter? There were 81 people in two cities shot and 19 of them killed in one weekend. That's pretty ****ing tragic. We aren't talking a convenience store thug here...we are talking many innocents caught in the crossfire of straight up victims of attacks. Where are the pickets? Where are the protests? 37 people dead in one month in Baltimore...most recently a mother and her son. Where is the outrage? Where is the AG? Where are the race batters and charlatans?

Black lives don't matter. People don't even offer the pretense that they do. THOSE black lives are different. THOSE black lives don't even merit a decent sidewalk disturbance.
 
If we are being honest...you would caveat that with black lives, that can be exploited for political gain, matter.

There were 19 black lives lost and 69 wounded in TWO cities over the memorial day weekend (Chicago and Baltimore).

You wont see anyone taking to the streets over them.

Of course you won't, because the media won't cover it. There are far more marches and protests to stop gang violence than there were over Freddie Gray. People who watch the news just don't care about a story that lacks group A getting angry and violent toward group B. It's the mainstream media and the people who closely follow it that don't care about the nearly 90 black men and women killed and hurt over Memorial Day Weekend. The people of Chicago and Baltimore definitely care about it, and if you don't think so, you should go and ask the people who live there.
 
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