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Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

Is American Social Conservatism on a Permanent Decline?

  • YES American Social Conservatism is on a Permanent Decline

    Votes: 29 72.5%

  • NO American Social Conservatism is not on a Permanent Decline. It will be Back.

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • Total voters
    40
clownboy said:
Heh, laughable. That so- called Hispanic majority comes with a twist, right under the surface is a social conservatism that rivals any held by "old white men".
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I don't think Arthur has any idea of this at all.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Let me know when you find one like that.
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My sister is a fundamentalist Christian and she explained to me that God made people different by design.

In particular, she mentioned gays and drug addicts. Not in the way that both are bad and need to be stamped out.

She said that the majority of folks are heterosexual. Some are gay. We are not capable of reaching into the psyche of either and re-wiring their instincts. That's just the way they are. They are all God's children and so we are compelled, by God, to love them all as we would ourselves.

She and I are not more holy or less so than Gays due to our heterosexuality.

The same is true in her mind for drug addicts, alcoholics, and all others who carry different burdens. We cannot judge their actions by our standards if we are not carrying their burdens. We can help when called upon or we can turn away.

She feels that those who are compelled to the abuse of drugs or other life altering behaviors are compelled as are those who are prone to allergies or clumsy. That's how God made them.
 
Ryan5 said:
I firmly believe it is. Do you?


Social Liberalism in the U.S. on the Rise, Fiscal Conservatism Remains Strong | Cato @ Liberty

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The indoctrination is moving along swimmingly. Yay? :roll: Thank the stars our kids are being brainwashed into believing every abhorrent modern lib ideal under the sun. <wretch>
 
beefheart said:
Angry old christian white men are dying off, and they aren't being replaced.
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Christian people of color are socially conservative for the most part. So, as usual, libs must lie to forward their agenda. I'm sure that makes you all feel warm and fuzzy inside.
 
code1211 said:
I'm not sure I understand what "rooted in an authoritarian personality" means.
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It's called, making **** up. ;) There is no personality more authoritarian than the modern liberal.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So called "social conservatism", i.e., authoritarian government telling people how to run their lives, is, thankfully, on the way out.
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So called "social liberalism", i.e., authoritarian government telling people how to run their lives, is, thankfully, on the way in. Yes, that is sooooo much better. :roll:

Good grief, how can people be sooooo damned oblivious? It truly boggles the mind.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.
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All of your mischaracterizations aside, how is that any different than libs who want the force of government to impose their ideology on the populace?
 
The GOP is slowly wise-ing up and coming to the realization that the social conservative agenda of the radical right-wing is what has in large part brought down the party.
 
disneydude said:
The GOP is slowly wise-ing up and coming to the realization that the social conservative agenda of the radical right-wing is what has in large part brought down the party.
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Not at all. What has brought down the party is the never ending capitulation to libs. Today's GOP is utterly impotent.
 
countryboy said:
Not at all. What has brought down the party is the never ending capitulation to libs. Today's GOP is utterly impotent.
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LOL.....care to give an example? Today's GOP has grown completely wacky because they have tried to appease the right-wing. I don't see the GOP "Capitulating to the libs" at all. The GOP is impotent because the candidates have been falling over each other to out crazy each other in order to get the nod.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....care to give an example? Today's GOP has grown completely wacky because they have tried to appease the right-wing. I don't see the GOP "Capitulating to the libs" at all. The GOP is impotent because the candidates have been falling over each other to out crazy each other in order to get the nod.
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Then you simply aren't paying attention, or are blinded by ideology. I suspect a little of both.
 
Einzige said:
I never said anything of the sort.

There's nothing inherently 'wrong' with prejudice; I reject the self-evidence of the 'equality of man'. But I find Christianity anathema for precisely the same reason that the Christian finds liberalism abhorrent - its claim to universalism; its rejection of the distinct, of the peculiar.

The belief that "salvation belongs, first to the Jew, then to the gentile" is the most destructive doctrine imaginable. A faith is either grounded I'm a people, in their cultural essence, or it works against them, eradicating those distinctions which make them unique.

My aim is the recreation in American life of the aristocratic consciousness. This is intended as a palliative for three centuries of Christian-coerced democratic decline. I believe that hierarchy - real hierarchy, not an illusory Randian hypercapitalist market hierarchy - is innately valuable: and I in no sense imagine that I would be at the top, or anywhere close to it.

The social conservative, who hates the liberal 'elite', is a symptom of the populist disease. Every other form of American 'traditionalism', from the Southern slaveocracy of the nineteenth century to the neoliberal 'meritocracy' of today, has made a mockery of genuine distinction of rank, taking as their respective measures an arbitrary racial caste system or fiduciary gain. These too are products of democracy, and as such are inherently tainted. (The landed gentry of the antebellum South is almost precisely the opposite of what I have in mind.)
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You've obviously given this a great deal of thought and study. I apologize if my understanding of the topic limits my ability to respond in kind.

I don't know exactly by what measure the hierarchy you desire is constructed. Perhaps a little help?

Tradition is an odd construct. I rooted for the Minnesota Vikings for years out of a tradition dating back to my father. It occurred to me about 5 or 6 years ago that Tarkington doesn't play for them anymore. Tradition destroyed.

Does a tradition need to have a defined life span to be a tradition? Is the repeated practice of Christmas rituals within a family and unique to that family not a tradition?

I am not a person that hates the Liberal Elite as individuals, but rather as a political force that seeks to control through deception and guile. The goal of the Liberal Elite is control and direct for profit in the firm belief that they are in possession of the truth.

In this way the Liberal Elite in no way differs from the Religious Right. The only difference I can see in the desire to control is the method of the delivery of the message. The Religious Right is more like a barking dog while the Liberal Elite is more like a colorless, scentless gas.

On to your characterization of religion in society:

"Christianity is decadence; Christianity is decline; Christianity is decay. It is the ferment of the ages. There can be no Restoration until it is done away with."

It seems that you are hanging much of the ills of society on Christianity.
 
disneydude said:
The GOP is slowly wise-ing up and coming to the realization that the social conservative agenda of the radical right-wing is what has in large part brought down the party.
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That agenda of which you speak is the same agenda that was pretty universal in this neck of the woods since about 1600.

Care to square that circle?
 
countryboy said:
Where is the promised "repeal and replace"?
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LOL....seriously? THAT isn't capitulation to the libs....that was just a flat out lie by the GOP that anyone with half a clue found from the start. The GOP was never going to repeal Obamacare...they simply used it as a political ploy. Do you honestly believe that the GOP just gave in and capitulated? That could have repealed and replaced once they gained the senate. The fact that they didn't just exposed their lies and hypocrisy.
 
code1211 said:
That agenda of which you speak is the same agenda that was pretty universal in this neck of the woods since about 1600.

Care to square that circle?
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That's true to a point....but it didn't really get politicized until the 80's when the right-wing saw it as a tool to push their agenda. They learned about using it as a wedge to have more political clout in elections. It really hadn't been used in that form previously.
 
There has been a fair amount of scientific and psychological studies on the issue. Social conservative, authoritarianism types see issues in terms of black and white and absolute wrong and absolute right. They are uncomfortable with ambiguity and have difficultly discussing and recognizing areas of grey. They want the government to endorse the absolute right behavior, and remove freedom and rights to engage in (what they consider) absolute wrong behavior.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Social conservatives want to use the government as a vehicle to promote, endorse, and compel adherence to their own personal or religious beliefs. That is pure authoritarianism. For example, even though it would have zero impact on their lives if the same sex couple up the street were to get legal recognition of their marriage, they are still against it. They want prayer in schools because they want their religious beliefs advanced by public institutions. They want the ten commandments displayed at the courthouse because they want their religious beliefs promoted by the state. It's all authoritarianism.

Very few authoritarian regimes have not been socially conservative regardless of their politics on other issues. Even the Chinese Communist Party is pretty socially conservative on most issues.
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ebb and flow .. all determined by specific issues in popular culture, how they are characterized, and how successful the narratives are.

the only right answer is .. No, it's not on permanent decline... it's absurd to argue as much... such an argument flies in the face of our humanity.

in many cases the so-called "social liberals" are doing nothing more than conserving and proliferating very old traditions....such as the case of same-sex marriage.
 
SheWolf said:
There has been a fair amount of scientific and psychological studies on the issue. Social conservative, authoritarianism types see issues in terms of black and white and absolute wrong and absolute right. They are uncomfortable with ambiguity and have difficultly discussing and recognizing areas of grey. They want the government to endorse the absolute right behavior, and remove freedom and rights to engage in (what they consider) absolute wrong behavior.
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which also points to a confirmation bias within the liberal dominated social sciences ;)
 
countryboy said:
So called "social liberalism", i.e., authoritarian government telling people how to run their lives, is, thankfully, on the way in. Yes, that is sooooo much better. :roll:

Good grief, how can people be sooooo damned oblivious? It truly boggles the mind.
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So, you think it's not so much on its way out as it is shifting from the right wing to the left wing?

not sure why anyone would think that. It seems to me that authoritarianism is a part of both "wings".
 
disneydude said:
LOL....seriously? THAT isn't capitulation to the libs....that was just a flat out lie by the GOP that anyone with half a clue found from the start. The GOP was never going to repeal Obamacare...they simply used it as a political ploy. Do you honestly believe that the GOP just gave in and capitulated? That could have repealed and replaced once they gained the senate. The fact that they didn't just exposed their lies and hypocrisy.
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horsehockey.... "repeal and replace" cannot happen when we have the President who came up with it still in office, and enough Democrats in the Senate to support his veto.

as time goes on, there's a much less of a chance they will even try though.... .once you hand candy to a baby , it's gets pretty ugly trying to take it away.... unless it's better candy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, you think it's not so much on its way out as it is shifting from the right wing to the left wing?

not sure why anyone would think that. It seems to me that authoritarianism is a part of both "wings".
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you're right... it's part and parcel of both wings.
 
disneydude said:
That's true to a point....but it didn't really get politicized until the 80's when the right-wing saw it as a tool to push their agenda. They learned about using it as a wedge to have more political clout in elections. It really hadn't been used in that form previously.
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You're dreaming.

It's been used forever, but the backdrop changed.

"Godless Communist" was once a meaningful description instead of a punch line.
 
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