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Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

Do You Believe in Natural Rights?

  • Yes

    Votes: 36 41.4%
  • No

    Votes: 51 58.6%

  • Total voters
    87
MY BELIEFS TAKE A BACK SEAT TO THE LAW, THE PRINCIPLES OF THE U.S.

like you an many others i don't base laws on my own personal feelings/ emotions.

i can say rights come from our humanity, while another person can say they come from god, and another from just simple nature, but the outcome is the same they do not come from a government of men....

You CAN say lots of things. I CAN say lots of things. Everybody CAN say tons of stuff.

But what do you say?

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?
 
are you asking for my personal belief.........OR....... are you asking FOR the interpretation of the DOI...BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

I don't care about either, I want you to actually produce evidence that either are factually true. Not expecting anything of the sort though.
 
You CAN say lots of things. I CAN say lots of things. Everybody CAN say tons of stuff.

But what do you say?

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?

i refer you back to this!

are you asking for my personal belief.........OR....... are you asking FOR the interpretation of the DOI...BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
 
I don't care about either, I want you to actually produce evidence that either are factually true. Not expecting anything of the sort though.

i can by pointing out no right has never been created by the u.s. government via law....government only creates privileges.
 
i refer you back to this!

are you asking for my personal belief.........OR....... are you asking FOR the interpretation of the DOI...BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

I cannot be clearer.

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?
 
i can by pointing out no right has never been created by the u.s. government via law....government only creates privileges.

In your mind and belief system what you call PRIVILEGES the Constitution calls RIGHTS.
 
i can by pointing out no right has never been created by the u.s. government via law....government only creates privileges.

No, you can ASSERT that. That seems to be all you can do.
 
In your mind and belief system what you call PRIVILEGES the Constitution calls RIGHTS.

wrong!.......

i shall prove you wrong.


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

privileges are listed first, and then natural rights.........
 
No, you can ASSERT that. That seems to be all you can do.

EB ignores the reality that government created the right to vote. That reality all by itself proves his assertions and claims to be wrong.
 
wrong!.......

i shall prove you wrong.


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

privileges are listed first, and then natural rights.........

What does that have to do with the reality that government created the right to vote for many Americans?
 
oh? care to prove me wrong in showing government creating a natural right.

since you are sure of yourself..i know i am sure of myself

Since natural rights do not exist except in the mind of a believer and cannot be proven to exist independent of that belief, nobody can claim that government creates them so your question is nonsensical.
 
EB ignores the reality that government created the right to vote. That reality all by itself proves his assertions and claims to be wrong.

It's not just him, lots of libertarians are the same way. They have this bizarre fantasy in their heads and think that makes it real.
 
oh? care to prove me wrong in showing government creating a natural right.

since you are sure of yourself..i know i am sure of myself

There are no such thing as natural rights. All rights come from people. Give up your foolish fantasy.
 
It's not just him, lots of libertarians are the same way. They have this bizarre fantasy in their heads and think that makes it real.

Exactly. Its Lalaland and all pie-in-the-sky. But its a pie that never gets baked or eaten or sold. Its all just fantastic beliefs that make the faerie kingdom look comparably reasonable.

Earlier I posted information about the basic denial of reality of many right libertarians and the willful state of delusion it places them in. That is the only way they can reconcile the fantasy in their belief systems with the contrasting and contrary reality around them that screams they are woefully wrong.
 
Exactly. Its Lalaland and all pie-in-the-sky. But its a pie that never gets baked or eaten or sold. Its all just fantastic beliefs that make the faerie kingdom look comparably reasonable.

Earlier I posted information about the basic denial of reality of many right libertarians and the willful state of delusion it places them in. That is the only way they can reconcile the fantasy in their belief systems with the contrasting and contrary reality around them that screams they are woefully wrong.

That's why I consider libertarianism to be more of a religion than a political position. They have to have blind and unassailable faith in their positions, no matter how absurd they are.
 
Do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?

my personal opinion, is not what others may interpret from the DOI its up to the reader....but as for me myself, yes, but thats me, and not other people might think.
 
There are no such thing as natural rights. All rights come from people. Give up your foolish fantasy.

why don't you prove what you are saying by showing law which has been created granting rights....to prove your point.....but it will be a unlimited wait for me to see that.
 
why don't you prove what you are saying by showing law which has been created granting rights....to prove your point.....but it will be a unlimited wait.

Especially since what you posted doesn't parse into English. Do try again and ask what you want to know in a clear and concise manner. And don't post drunk, that's always helpful.
 
its plain as the nose on you face if you would start by reading the constitution....but you will not

The text of the Constitution won't change your bizarre and unclear posting style.
 
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