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Do You Believe In Natural Rights?

Do You Believe in Natural Rights?

  • Yes

    Votes: 36 41.4%
  • No

    Votes: 51 58.6%

  • Total voters
    87
Not one thing in that quote dump negates the reality that a belief in natural rights is just that - an unprovable belief held by a believer because they want to believe it.

well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

Amendment V

December 1791

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
you see it too in his reasoning don't you...:)

nah - just one of your fellow true believers striking out at inconvenient truth that is hard for them to swallow. And if you go back you will see their quip was shown to be a weak straw man of their own invention.
 
well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

Amendment V

December 1791

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.
 
Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.



well since natural rights are part of the constitution.......you lose

Amendment V

December 1791

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
monumental in desperation!

Truth is never desperation. It is always the trump card that deals your wishful belief system to the trash heap.

But since you are obsessed with staying on topic - at least when you get your tail caught in the wringer and are trying hard to get it out - lets see you disprove my observation about natural rights and Gods and the Faerie Kingdom being made "real" simply by inclusion in a document or a law.

here it is again for you in case you are unable to find the comment from me

Natural rights do not exist so they cannot be part of the Constitution in the same way that mentioning God or a Creator in any document or law suddenly makes those beings real.

You can spend a billion dollars building a Faerie Kingdom Castle in Florida but that does NOT make the Faerie Kingdom any more real that it was without it.

Deal with that for a change.
 
Truth is never desperation. It is always the trump card that deals your wishful belief system to the trash heap.

But since you are obsessed with staying on topic - at least when you get your tail caught in the wringer and are trying hard to get it out - lets see you disprove my observation about natural rights and Gods and the Faerie Kingdom being made "real" simply by inclusion in a document or a law.

here it is again for you in case you are unable to find the comment from me



Deal with that for a change.

sorry but i have the constitution on my side, and you have nothing which can top that.
 
sorry but i have the constitution on my side, and you have nothing which can top that.

I knew you could not deal with my statement and you failed to do so.

So the Constitution created GOD or recognizes the acts of God and that validates the previous acts which are claimed to be attributed to God?!?!?!?!?

That is the worst sort of circular reasoning I have ever heard in my entire life. Its the ramblings of the delusional.
 
I knew you could not deal with my statement and you failed to do so.

So the Constitution created GOD or recognizes the acts of God and that validates the previous acts which are claimed to be attributed to God?!?!?!?!?

That is the worst sort of circular reasoning I have ever heard in my entire life. Its the ramblings of the delusional.
:doh.....weird statment
 
:doh.....weird statment

I guess to a true believer who accepts that hard won rights are handed out from gods in the sky like Halloween treats to costumed toddlers in October - yeah - I guess they would look at such reality as weird.
 
If I walk down a street and someone plugs me with a .38 you're saying I don't have a right to life? Bullcrap! My right to live is completely independent of whether or not I can defend it.

The dude with the .38 just robbed you of your right. Rights sound good, make us feel warm and secure, and that's fine, that's good for humans, but there's simply no guarantees.
 
I guess to a true believer who accepts that hard won rights are handed out from gods in the sky like Halloween treats to costumed toddlers in October - yeah - I guess they would look at such reality as weird.

please provide were i have said rights come from god.......and please don't take all day.
 
please provide were i have said rights come from god.......and please don't take all day.

You have said repeatedly that you subscribe to the statements in the Declaration of Independence as Founders support and belief in natural rights. And that is a clear invocation of an all powerful deity - or in modern parlance - god or God or GOD.
 
You have said repeatedly that you subscribe to the statements in the Declaration of Independence as Founders support and belief in natural rights. And that is a clear invocation of an all powerful deity - or in modern parlance - god or God or GOD.

sorry, wrong...[AS USUAL]

i have said numerous times, the constitution embodies principles of the DOI, while also stated that the term "creator" is subjective to the reader, meaning the reader could take it as god, nature, however the reader wishes to do so.

please... if you are going to say i said something, say it correctly please or just don't do it.
 
sorry, wrong...[AS USUAL]

i have said numerous times, the constitution embodies principles of the DOI, while also stated that the term "creator" is subjective to the reader, meaning the reader could take it as god, nature, however the reader wishes to do so.

please... if you are going to say i said something, say it correctly please or just don't do it.

BS. There is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about the term CREATOR. It clearly is a term for a powerful deity who created man and the world and the rights you claim that same CREATOR gave us.

put in a gold search "who is the Creator"? Here is what you get in response as the answer

A creator deity or creator god (often called the Creator) is a deity or god responsible for the creation of the Earth, world, (cosmos or universe). In monotheism, the single God is often also the Creator.


Why are you trying to wiggle out of that obvious reality EB?
 
BS. There is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about the term CREATOR. It clearly is a term for a powerful deity who created man and the world and the rights you claim that same CREATOR gave us.

put in a gold search "who is the Creator"? Here is what you get in response as the answer




Why are you trying to wiggle out of that obvious reality EB?


or, not TRUE


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

what is the god of nature?.......do you know.

i see you didn't produce anything saying i said rights are from god.......so you lied about me.
 
or, not TRUE


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

what is the god of nature?.......do you know.

i see you didn't produce anything saying i said rights are from god.......so you lied about me.

BS again. You support the statement you claim is about natural rights in the Declaration that our rights come from a Creator.

Now stand proud and either admit that once and for all or deny that you believe our rights come from a Creator as the Jefferson statement in the Declarations says and which you in the past cited and supported as evidence of natural rights.
 
BS again. You support the statement you claim is about natural rights in the Declaration that our rights come from a Creator.

Now stand proud and either admit that once and for all or deny that you believe our rights come from a Creator as the Jefferson statement in the Declarations says and which you in the past cited and supported as evidence of natural rights.


show your evidence of this please.....
 
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Don't be naive. It wasn't that long ago that South Africa ended apartheid and freed Nelson Mandela. If one follows your line of reasoning, there was nothing wrong with apartheid because the white people in power in that society said so.

This is talking about right and wrong, not "rights". There was no violation of rights for the person to do something, but that doesn't mean doing that wasn't "wrong".
 
show your evidence of this please.....

Evidence of what? Your belief in Natural Rights? Your belief in the statement in the Declaration of Independence?

You want evidence of beliefs that you previously were proud of?

Amzing EB!!!! Simply Amazing beyond belief.

So maybe I got it wrong about you. Clear the air once and for all and I won't try to state your position for you. Simply tell us

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?

You can speak for yourself and lets cut out all the inane "he said she said". Step up - man up - let it rip.

Of course, you will not.
 
Evidence of what? Your belief in Natural Rights? Your belief in the statement in the Declaration of Independence?

You want evidence of beliefs that you previously were proud of?

Amzing EB!!!! Simply Amazing beyond belief.

So maybe I got it wrong about you. Clear the air once and for all and I won't try to state your position for you. Simply tell us

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?

You can speak for yourself and lets cut out all the inane "he said she said". Step up - man up - let it rip.

Of course, you will not.


here is why you fail...repeatedly...

i have said rights are natural, but i have also said rights come from a higher power not government, and that power is subjective to the reader of the DOI.

i have said this many times, yet you CONTINUE to create things out of your own head and try to pin it to me, and when asked for the proof........you provide nothing and do your usual......"i don't know what you are talking about".....MO..Modus operandi
 
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here is why you fail...repeatedly...

i have said rights are natural, but i have also said rights come from a higher power not government, and that power is subjective to the reader of the DOI.

i have said this many times, yet you CONTINUE to create things out of your own head and try to pin it to me, and when asked for the proof........you provide nothing and do your usual......"i don't know what you are talking about".....MO..Modus operandi

Do you believe that your so called natural rights come from a creator/ Creator?

Looks like I was 100% right in my post to you

So maybe I got it wrong about you. Clear the air once and for all and I won't try to state your position for you. Simply tell us

1- do you believe in natural rights?
2- do you agree with the statement in the Declaration that they come from a Creator?

You can speak for yourself and lets cut out all the inane "he said she said". Step up - man up - let it rip.

Of course, you will not.

Still waiting for you to man up.

Of course, you will continue to fail to do so.
 
are you asking for my personal belief.........OR....... are you asking FOR the interpretation of the DOI...BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

So how are they different?
 
So how are they different?

MY BELIEFS TAKE A BACK SEAT TO THE LAW, THE PRINCIPLES OF THE U.S.

like you an many others i don't base laws on my own personal feelings/ emotions.

i can say rights come from our humanity, while another person can say they come from god, and another from just simple nature, but the outcome is the same they do not come from a government of men....
 
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