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Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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ernst barkmann said:
all this states is rights are recognized, and not created by man.

no u.s. law has ever created a right.
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their constructs your just saying recognized
 
ernst barkmann said:
tresaon is to impose war.....on the u.s. ..secession does not impose war.
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noun trea·son \ˈtrē-zən\

: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war




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: the betrayal of a trust : treachery


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: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
 
haymarket said:
Where were these rights that the men who wrote the Constitution could (in your words) recognize them?
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they drew them from the law of nature.

its natural to speak - pray - protest - associate - self-defense, be secure in ones self, among many others.
 
blarg said:
treason












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noun trea·son \ˈtrē-zən\

: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war




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: the betrayal of a trust : treachery


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: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
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the constitution states to levy war....and to aid ..that means to impose a war on the u.s....secession is not imposing a war on the u.s.

a state by leaving the union is not attempting to over throw the federal government
 
ernst barkmann said:
they drew them from the law of nature.

its natural to speak - pray - protest - associate - self-defense, be secure in ones self, among many others.
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natural law lets you do whatever you have the power to get away with and as an extension of that rights are made up and only exist as long as the power to imagine and enforce them exist
 
ernst barkmann said:
the constitution states to levy war....and to aid ..that means to impose a war on the u.s....secession is not imposing a war on the u.s.

a state by leaving the union is not attempting to over throw the federal government
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its other throwing the federal governed over the local state which dose not require violence
 
blarg said:
natural law lets you do whatever you have the power to get away with and as an extension of that rights are made up and only exist as long as the power to imagine and enforce them exist
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You have obviously read a great deal about natural law. :lamo
 
blarg said:
natural law lets you do whatever you have the power to get away with and as an extension of that rights are made up and only exist as long as the power to imagine and enforce them exist
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natural law means you have many many rights that follow nature, but those rights cannot infringe into the natural rights of other people...which is why i have said many times.....you cannot exercise a right on another Citizen.

rights exist always....but whether they are secure is another matter.......so we instituted our government to secure them.

if rights did not need to be secured...no government would be necessary
 
Henrin said:
You have obviously read a great deal about natural law. :lamo
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what's to read that's nature it includes every action we invented rights to protect against and we invented them because nature allows them
 
ernst barkmann said:
natural law means you have many many rights that follow nature, but those rights cannot infringe into the natural rights of other people...which is why i have said many times.....you cannot exercise a right on another Citizen.

rights exist always....but whether they are secure is another matter.......so we instituted our government to secure them.

if rights did not need to be secured...no government would be necessary
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more made up stuff
 
blarg said:
its other throwing the federal governed over the local state which dose not require violence
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the federal government is not over state governments.......we have federalism, the separation of powers.

the states created the constitution, and the constitution created the federal government, its not the other way around.
 
ernst barkmann said:
natural law means you have many many rights that follow nature, but those rights cannot infringe into the natural rights of other people...which is why i have said many times.....you cannot exercise a right on another Citizen.

rights exist always....but whether they are secure is another matter.......so we instituted our government to secure them.

if rights did not need to be secured...no government would be necessary
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if rights did not need to be secured then they actually would be natural
 
blarg said:
what's to read that's nature it includes every action we invented rights to protect against and we invented them because nature allows them
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I would advise you start reading because that is not even close to right.
 
blarg said:
more made up stuff
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nope its fact.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
 
ernst barkmann said:
the federal government is not over state governments.......we have federalism, the separation of powers.

the states created the constitution, and the constitution created the federal government, its not the other way around.
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the federal government cant do what ever it wants with the states but you have rights and responsibility's under it were not a loose collection of nations banding together this is 1 country
 
blarg said:
the federal government cant do what ever it wants with the states but you have rights and responsibility's under it were not a loose collection of nations banding together this is 1 country
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will you show me the constitutional law....... that states the federal government can do ever it wants.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if rights did not need to be secured......then government would not need to exist at all.
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ok but since they do need to be secured their not natural and we need government because nature sucks and dose not know or care about what we think are our rights
 
blarg said:
ok but since they do need to be secured their not natural and we need government because nature sucks and dose not know or care about what we think are our rights
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we institute government for the sole purpose to secure those natural rights....

if people created their own rights..then people would create rights to...food, water, shelter, the property of other people, and since they would have the power to create, that also means they have the power to deny or abolish rights for people.

which is why rights are not in the peoples hands.........because that would be dangerous thing.
 
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blarg said:
cant man says cant in the post
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the constitution delgates general powers to the federal government, and off of those general powers the congress writes federal law/statutes.

no where is there a general power that grants the federal government authority over states....question?.... would the states have ratified the constitution if the constitution granted the federal government power to rule over them..No
 
Peter Grimm said:
While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
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Yes. Self-Determination is an important concept in democracy. Without it, we are not one. I would then support building a wall around Texas and only allowing them to enter the US under the same system that other hispanic and latin american born foreigners can enter. They will have to wait in line for visas just like anybody else.
 
Thrilla said:
sovereign currency would work as well.... kinda like it works for nearly every country on the planet.
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Obviously you think that all of the social demands for funding (education, military, healthcare, etc), which are placed on the Texas government - does so mostly on its own revenues. I suggest you might spend some time finding out how much money flows into Texas via both the Federal General Funds and Discretionary Funds, which allows Texas to operate. The sovereignty of individual states exist because of the symbiotic relationships between all states and a central government.
 
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