• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
S

SlevinKelevra

Sage
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 16, 2014
Messages
6,639
Reaction score
1,487
Location
Pennsylvania, USA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Did Confederate Memorial Day close government offices in your state today?


For years, on the fourth Monday in April people showed up to the courthouse to buy car tags and fishing licenses, unaware that it was closed for the state holiday, which is officially observed in Alabama, Willingham explained. Businesses, schools and even offices in neighboring counties stay open, Willingham said, so people complained about the local government not doing the same. He understood their frustration.

“It’s not a prominent holiday,” said Willingham, who was born and raised in Cullman County, about 50 miles north of Birmingham. “I don’t think Microsoft adds Confederate Memorial Day to my Outlook.”

Usually, the holiday passes largely unnoticed, even by the local press.

But that didn’t happen this year. County officials voted to stay open on Confederate Memorial Day and instead close Cullman County’s government doors on Good Friday, a day when there’s less demand for county services. After that vote, people told Willingham and his colleagues that they “ought to be ashamed of dishonoring our Confederate veterans,” he explained.
Click to expand...

:shock:

Why are you wanting to honor people who killed more than three hundred thousand Americans? :confused:
 
fromlink said:
Today, dates of state observance are scattered from April to June and are loosely associated with the Confederacy’s surrender to Sherman on April 26, the death of Stonewall Jackson on May 10 or the birthday of Confederate President Jefferson Davis on June 3. This year, Texas celebrated Confederate Heroes Day on Jan. 19. That also happened to be Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
Click to expand...

So, the date in various southern states varies from Jan. to Jun.

Does anyone else wonder why it can't be observed on the last Monday in May? You know; Memorial Day. That's the day of observance for all American Soldiers who died in battle. The Union Army soldiers are observed then. Why not observe the bravery and courage of those that gave all to the Confederate Army side on that same day? It makes total sense to me.
 
d0gbreath said:
So, the date in various southern states varies from Jan. to Jun.

Does anyone else wonder why it can't be observed on the last Monday in May? You know; Memorial Day. That's the day of observance for all American Soldiers who died in battle. The Union Army soldiers are observed then. Why not observe the bravery and courage of those that gave all to the Confederate Army side on that same day? It makes total sense to me.
Click to expand...


Doesn't to me. Confederate soldiers KILLED Americans.
 
d0gbreath said:
As Union soldiers killed Americans too.
Click to expand...

Really? When? You see, I remember things like state secession, new CS flag, new currency, swearing of new military oaths, etc. Aka people who didn't want to be "Americans {as the word had meant prior} any more.
If I'm remembering incorrectly, why was there such resistance to the IronClad Oath ("Damnesty") ?
 
This is something that is up to the states concerned.
Quite apart from the discussion of a memorial day, I think it is fitting and proper to recognize and remember all those that were killed in the US Civil war.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Really? When? You see, I remember things like state secession, new CS flag, new currency, swearing of new military oaths, etc. Aka people who didn't want to be "Americans {as the word had meant prior} any more.
If I'm remembering incorrectly, why was there such resistance to the IronClad Oath ("Damnesty") ?
Click to expand...

If I remember correctly, they were soldiers for the Confederate States of America. That made them Americans.
 
d0gbreath said:
If I remember correctly, they were soldiers for the Confederate States of America. That made them Americans.
Click to expand...

So if Texas secedes and calls itself the Texasistan neoCaliphate of America, you'd stall call its citizens Americans?
 
LeoVlaming said:
This is something that is up to the states concerned.
Quite apart from the discussion of a memorial day, I think it is fitting and proper to recognize and remember all those that were killed in the US Civil war.
Click to expand...

SlevinKelevra said:
So if Texas secedes and calls itself the Texasistan neoCaliphate of America, you'd stall call its citizens Americans?
Click to expand...

You do know that Texas used to be an independent country, right?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
So if Texas secedes and calls itself the Texasistan neoCaliphate of America, you'd stall call its citizens Americans?
Click to expand...

I call Central and South Americans, Americans, so yes, the Texans would still qualify.
 
d0gbreath said:
I call Central and South Americans, Americans, so yes, the Texans would still qualify.
Click to expand...

Your usage is outside of the norm
Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American (word) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In modern English, Americans generally refers to residents of the United States; among native English speakers this usage is almost universal, with any other use of the term requiring specification.[1]
Click to expand...
 
SlevinKelevra said:
no rebuttals otherwise, you lose more.


Quick pro tip: try traveling the world. When people ask you where you're from, say "America". Then ask them to point it to you on a map.
Click to expand...

But I'm from New England.
 
I was born and raised in the South. I love the South. I love southern culture. I love southern food. I think we have the best accents. I know we have the best authors. My home state of Arkansas is easily one of the most beautiful states in the nation.

That all said, I think its ridiculous to honor the confederacy in any way. The south seceded for one reason: The right of southern states to have slavery. Slavery, one of the most evil institutions man has ever conceived of, is what the south fought for. Why in the hell should that be honored in any way? We don't honor Nazi Germany or the soldiers that fought for it. There ought not be any memorials to the former of empire of Japan. Hell I have a great, great, great grandfather that has a confederate monument dedicated to him in Tennessee. That is wrong. Regardless of any honor he had in the field of battle, he fought for an evil cause. As southerners we just need to admit that we were in the wrong during the Civil War.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
so you would be overly specific in a personal instance of self, but label someone from say, Quito, as an "American".


holy hypocrisy, batman.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure. I've never heard of Quito.

Let me check wikipedia. BRB

EDiT: from wiki: Quito (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkito]), formally San Francisco...

Yeah, American
 
If they had any shame, they'd have a Slave Memorial Day instead.

I cannot believe the pride some people take in a history of trying to extend the enslavement of others. Asking whether there should be a Confederate Memorial Day is like asking if there should be an Indian Genocide Day. Are you serious?

Slavery -- and the Confederacy, which existed mainly to preserve it -- should humble every American. All of us, North and South. Nothing done in its defence should ever be celebrated by anyone with a modicum of decency, humanity, or basic literacy. It is profoundly anti-American to celebrate the enslavement of others -- the denial of their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

For shame. Just for shame.
 
Last edited:
No.

We don't hold memorial days for traitors to the republic.

SlevinKelevra said:
wow, welcome to the "troll list".

rolls eyes.
Click to expand...

I'm surprised you carried on with him for that long, should have saved your breath.
 
Last edited:
Yes

The South had a constitutional and legal right to secede. The Civil War was an illegal act perpetrated upon the South by Lincoln and his troops.

The subsequent federalization of our republic has been equally illegal and unjust, and it continues to this day
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom