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Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?


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it is you that does not, because you don't read, the north is the one that called up troops, the south had not intention of over throwing the federal government

as already stated BY YOU!....

Listen Up : They Levied War against the US.

End of story.
 
LMAO......THE SOUTHERN STATES ARE NOT PART OF THE UNION.....THERE ARE NOT ADHERING TO ANYONE...:2razz:

Only in their own mind.

No one -- No one - recognized them as a separate nation.

they were States in rebellion.

This was settled.

Long

Long

ago,
 
this is clearly being a bigot.

the south was winning the war until 1863, which turned against them, because of shortages, lack of industry.




The Confederacy was put out of business by the Union 150 years ago.

The South will not rise again.

Wait and see.
 
Listen Up : They Levied War against the US.

End of story.


sorry..... it is the north that wanted the confrontation

so we have southern states which are not part to the united states, but are the confederate states of america with their own constitution, fighting a war against the united states and they are tratoitrs....:2razz:
 
tsIt's a statement of the facts.

If you have any evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

:lamo

1..The Confederacy was put out of business by the Union 150 years ago.

2...The South will not rise again.

Wait and see.

1 ..equals ...fact
2....not fact.......we do not know what the future will bring.
 
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Really? When? You see, I remember things like state secession, new CS flag, new currency, swearing of new military oaths, etc. Aka people who didn't want to be "Americans {as the word had meant prior} any more.
If I'm remembering incorrectly, why was there such resistance to the IronClad Oath ("Damnesty") ?


The state secessions were never recognized and the Civil War was officially recognized as a "rebellion".


The rebel yell....
Home - 26th North Carolina
 
The state secessions were never recognized and the Civil War was officially recognized as a "rebellion".


The rebel yell....
Home - 26th North Carolina

during the war, the north stated the south had not seceded, however once the war was over the north stated they did secede and used that.... to keep former southern politicians out of office and allow northern Citizens to fill those offices.

when you say not recognized, by who?....the people they separated from.
 
during the war, the north stated the south had not seceded, however once the war was over the north stated they did secede and used that.... to keep former southern politicians out of office and allow northern Citizens to fill those offices.

when you say not recognized, by who?....the people they separated from.





Lincoln was very careful not to recognize the sovereignty of any state trying to secede from the union and always referred to the war as a rebellion. He went to war to keep the union together and won, remember? When the war was over the southern states and it's citizens were still a part of the union because they really never left.
 
Lincoln was very careful not to recognize the sovereignty of any state trying to secede from the union and always referred to the war as a rebellion. He went to war to keep the union together and won, remember? When the war was over the southern states and it's citizens were still a part of the union because they really never left.

correct ....he wanted to keep the union together.

however the u.s.federal government barred people who had served in southern state governments from serving again.

southern governments were controlled by northerners after the war.
 
correct ....he wanted to keep the union together.

however the u.s.federal government barred people who had served in southern state governments from serving again.

southern governments were controlled by northerners after the war.
Unfortunately, Lincoln was assassinated before his plans for reconciliatory reconstruction could be implemented and was largely replaced with Johnson's more retaliatory plans to treat the south as conquered territory and traitors.

Lincoln had offered a pardon for rebels if they took allegiance to the US Constitution but excluded southern leaders who had left their post to fight against the US...

Even before the war had ended, Lincoln issued the Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction in 1863, his compassionate policy for dealing with the South. The Proclamation stated that all Southerners could be pardoned and reinstated as U.S. citizens if they took an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and the Union and pledged to abide by emancipation. High Confederate officials, Army and Navy officers, and U.S. judges and congressmen who left their posts to aid the southern rebellion were excluded from this pardon. Lincoln’s Proclamation was called the “10 percent plan”: Once 10 percent of the voting population in any state had taken the oath, a state government could be put in place and the state could be reintegrated into the Union.....

https://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics/presidential-and-congressional-reconstruction-plans/

After the war, carpetbaggers and scallywags descended on the south like vultures and that is how it gained a reputation for corrupt local governments.
 
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James, I can't quite see why you're raging. I understand that you are totally Cal.

What is a Cal?
That's why you keep alluding to a different war.

I am using an example of people who fought on the enemy's side against the US who did not get a memorial day.

You don't have any connection to the civil war. OK, which side was CA on? That's what I thought.

No one alive today has any connection to the civil war.If there are some people who do then they better call Guinness for the oldest person in the world title.
 
What is a Cal?


I am using an example of people who fought on the enemy's side against the US who did not get a memorial day.



No one alive today has any connection to the civil war.
If there are some people who do then they better call Guinness for the oldest person in the world title.



Correct.

But there are some people who would like to get a rematch. I don't believe that's going to happen.



The South will not rise again.
 
Unfortunately, Lincoln was assassinated before his plans for reconciliatory reconstruction could be implemented and was largely replaced with Johnson's more retaliatory plans to treat the south as conquered territory and traitors.

Lincoln had offered a pardon for rebels if they took allegiance to the US Constitution but excluded southern leaders who had left their post to fight against the US...

Even before the war had ended, Lincoln issued the Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction in 1863, his compassionate policy for dealing with the South. The Proclamation stated that all Southerners could be pardoned and reinstated as U.S. citizens if they took an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and the Union and pledged to abide by emancipation. High Confederate officials, Army and Navy officers, and U.S. judges and congressmen who left their posts to aid the southern rebellion were excluded from this pardon. Lincoln’s Proclamation was called the “10 percent plan”: Once 10 percent of the voting population in any state had taken the oath, a state government could be put in place and the state could be reintegrated into the Union.....

https://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics/presidential-and-congressional-reconstruction-plans/

After the war, carpetbaggers and scallywags descended on the south like vultures and that is how it gained a reputation for corrupt local governments.

you cant be "reinstated" unless one leaves the state of being.

the southern states seceded, because they people gave a formal declaration .......as the founders had done.

they cited their grievances, and exercised their right to alter and abolish the government they had.

they did not attempt to overthrow the federal government.
 
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you cant be "reinstated" unless one leaves the state of being.

the southern states seceded, because they people gave a formal declaration .......as the founders had done.

they cited their grievances, and exercised their right to alter and abolish the government they had.

they did not attempt to overthrow the federal government.
From the dictionary:

Reinstated: restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition.​

A state or person doesn't have to leave the union in order to be restored to their former condition.

The south was never recognized as a separate sovereign state or nation and their bloody attempt to secede from the union failed.

Having read both the 1863 and 1865 Proclamations of Amnesty and Reconstruction....no where does it suggest that any state or citizen ever left the union. But it does clearly allude to "acts of treason" and lists certain classes of people that participated in the "rebellion" as exempt from pardon or amnesty. In other words, because of their actions, certain persons lost 'certain rights'....just as criminals do in our justice system today.

1863 The Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction

1865 The Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction
 
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From the dictionary:

Reinstated: restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition.

A state or person doesn't have to leave the union in order to be restored to their former condition.

The south was never recognized as a separate sovereign state or nation and their bloody attempt to secede from the union failed.

Having read both the 1863 and 1865 Proclamations of Amnesty and Reconstruction....no where does it suggest that any state or citizen ever left the union. But it does clearly allude to "acts of treason" and lists certain classes of people that participated in the "rebellion" as exempt from pardon or amnesty. In other words, because of their actions, certain persons lost 'certain rights'....just as criminals do in our justice system today.

1863 The Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction

1865 The Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction

Former postion!

the southern states declared their separation from the union, they created their own government and constitution, and no longer participated in the the union for 5 years.

again FORMER..

these acts you have posted were made by the federal government whom the southern states were fighting.

to levy a war, means to impose a war, the southern states left the union, with only the intention of going their own way.
 
Former postion!

the southern states declared their separation from the union, they created their own government and constitution, and no longer participated in the the union for 5 years.

again FORMER..

these acts you have posted were made by the federal government whom the southern states were fighting.

to levy a war, means to impose a war, the southern states left the union, with only the intention of going their own way.

And they tried to leave with a few things that did not belong to them.

Like fort Sumter.
 
And they tried to leave with a few things that did not belong to them.

Like fort Sumter.

they asked the union troops to leave and they refused.

but the southern states did not impose a war on the federal government because they had no intention over throwing the federal government, that wanted to go their own way.
 
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