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Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence [W:59]

Should the US and other Western states recognize Kurdish independence?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • No

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • Total voters
    11
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

First of all, as I said before, I propose to start from the existing Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq. Second, Turkey has no qualms about militarily threatening other NATO member-states or invading other countries.

Remember, in the fight against jihadi terrorism, Turkey is fundamentally not on our side.

Which NATO member has Turkey militarily threatened and/or invaded?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

No, not really. Mainly because they are being held back from doing so by the Western countries trying to appease the governments in Ankara and Baghdad (which is pretty short-sighted).
what nationality are you ?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Which NATO member has Turkey militarily threatened and/or invaded?

Turkey has regularly threatened war against Greece and invaded Greek airspace. It has also had military clashes with the US in northern Iraq.

It regularly invades the airspace of other neigboring countries (not all of them NATO members) and has invaded Cyprus and created a puppet-republic there which it still occupies.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

what nationality are you ?

By nationality I am Flemish. By citizenship I am Belgian.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

By nationality I am Flemish. By citizenship I am Belgian.

so it is not your business.go divide your little country now
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Turkey has regularly threatened war against Greece and invaded Greek airspace. It has also had military clashes with the US in northern Iraq.

It regularly invades the airspace of other neigboring countries (not all of them NATO members) and has invaded Cyprus and created a puppet-republic there which it still occupies.

no it is a big lie, greece threatens to attack turkey many times as if it is stronger than Turkey.look at the puppets of western countries ,kurdistan will be another puppet if it is founded
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

so it is not your business.go divide your little country now

Wow, so he can't have an opinion on the matter?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Wow, so he can't have an opinion on the matter?

Fairly typical of Turkish ultra-nationalism.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Wow, so he can't have an opinion on the matter?

if he has enough knowledge ,yes!
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Fairly typical of Turkish ultra-nationalism.

like your typical western imperialism and turkey hatred
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Turkey has regularly threatened war against Greece and invaded Greek airspace. It has also had military clashes with the US in northern Iraq.

It regularly invades the airspace of other neigboring countries (not all of them NATO members) and has invaded Cyprus and created a puppet-republic there which it still occupies.

Greece and Turkey have a long history of disputes due to their proximity, long before both entered NATO. You seem to believe that all blame must be laid at the feet of Turkey. How far back in history do you want to go? When was the last military action between the two countries? One could argue that Germany and Italy also took military action and invaded NATO members if you want to go back decades in time.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Greece and Turkey have a long history of disputes due to their proximity, long before both entered NATO. You seem to believe that all blame must be laid at the feet of Turkey. How far back in history do you want to go? When was the last military action between the two countries? One could argue that Germany and Italy also took military action and invaded NATO members if you want to go back decades in time.

he claims I am ultra nationalist.what a bigotry and ignorance, hate etc.. all westerners defend their countries including him.none of them are accused of being a right winger nazi type person.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Greece and Turkey have a long history of disputes due to their proximity, long before both entered NATO. You seem to believe that all blame must be laid at the feet of Turkey. How far back in history do you want to go? When was the last military action between the two countries? One could argue that Germany and Italy also took military action and invaded NATO members if you want to go back decades in time.


Over the last two decades Turkish planes have regularly invaded Greek airspace, including to threaten official Greek planes carrying government ministers. During the same period Turkey has regularly threatened military action against Greece if Grece were to develop oil exploration in its territorial waters. I am unaware of Germany or Italy having invaded any other NATO countries over the last few decades.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Over the last two decades Turkish planes have regularly invaded Greek airspace, including to threaten official Greek planes carrying government ministers. During the same period Turkey has regularly threatened military action against Greece if Grece were to develop oil exploration in its territorial waters. I am unaware of Germany or Italy having invaded any other NATO countries over the last few decades.

And I could quote references to the Greeks doing the same:

Greece puts four Turkish jets under radar lock, violates airspace: General Staff - INTERNATIONAL

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/world/europe/23cnd-athens.html?_r=0

Greek jets violate Turkish airspace over Aegean Sea

Canada and the US have disputes over territorial rights in the Arctic, along with other northern NATO countries.

Such disputes are normal - that is not the same as your claim of Turkey "invading" NATO and other countries.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

And I could quote references to the Greeks doing the same:

Greece puts four Turkish jets under radar lock, violates airspace: General Staff - INTERNATIONAL

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/world/europe/23cnd-athens.html?_r=0

Greek jets violate Turkish airspace over Aegean Sea

Canada and the US have disputes over territorial rights in the Arctic, along with other northern NATO countries.

Such disputes are normal - that is not the same as your claim of Turkey "invading" NATO and other countries.

I'm sorry but this is inaccurate. It is Turkey which is contesting the sovereignty of Greece over its territorial waters. Not the other way round. When is the last time Canadian fighter jets intercepted a plane carrying the US Secretary of Defense over US airspace?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

In any event, the point of this thread is not Turkey but Kurdistan and whether or not the Kurds should have the right to self-determination.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

I'm sorry but this is inaccurate. It is Turkey which is contesting the sovereignty of Greece over its territorial waters. Not the other way round. When is the last time Canadian fighter jets intercepted a plane carrying the US Secretary of Defense over US airspace?

Disputes generally have two sides - you only see one side as valid whereas I don't. That's your prerogative - but that doesn't mean your view is right or the only rational one. And it certainly doesn't validate your attempt to get the US and/or NATO to favour the chaos that would result from claims of Kurdish sovereignty without Turkish involvement and approval.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Disputes generally have two sides - you only see one side as valid whereas I don't. That's your prerogative - but that doesn't mean your view is right or the only rational one. And it certainly doesn't validate your attempt to get the US and/or NATO to favour the chaos that would result from claims of Kurdish sovereignty without Turkish involvement and approval.

Again, I point to the fact that I'm proposing beginning by recognizing the claim to independence (if they wish to make it) of the Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq.

I would also point out that Turkey has been the one promoting chaos in Syria and Iraq.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

In any event, everybody is entitled to their opinion as to whether or not it is justified to allow the Kurd to form their own state. That is why it is called an opinion poll I believe.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Again, I point to the fact that I'm proposing beginning by recognizing the claim to independence (if they wish to make it) of the Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq.

I would also point out that Turkey has been the one promoting chaos in Syria and Iraq.

Utter nonsense.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

Utter nonsense.

You are unaware of the support and free passes they have given to IS and to various other groups?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

In any event, the point of this thread is not Turkey but Kurdistan and whether or not the Kurds should have the right to self-determination.

a kurdistan without TURKEY.are you sure?
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

They absolutely should. The Kurdish people have proven over and over again that they are ready for independence. They are currently running their own, essentially state in northern Syrian right now, known as Rojava. Secular, democratic, and free.
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

They absolutely should. The Kurdish people have proven over and over again that they are ready for independence. They are currently running their own, essentially state in northern Syrian right now, known as Rojava. Secular, democratic, and free.

you dont know much about it.they wont go back to kurdistan .pkk supporters both try to found kurdistan and keep settling in the western part of TURKEY.what do you think about it honestly ? do you think they want their own kurdistan,at least the ones living in Turkey ? do you know the most of them dont know what democracy is and live as a part of their tribes??
 
Re: Should the US (and other Western countries) recognize the Kurdish independence?

you dont know much about it.they wont go back to kurdistan .pkk supporters both try to found kurdistan and keep settling in the western part of TURKEY.what do you think about it honestly ? do you think they want their own kurdistan,at least the ones living in Turkey ? do you know the most of them dont know what democracy is and live as a part of their tribes??

"In Rojava, we believe, genuinely democratic structures have indeed been established. Not only is the system of government accountable to the people, but it springs out of new structures that make direct democracy possible: popular assemblies and democratic councils. Women participate on an equal footing with men at every level and also organize in autonomous councils, assemblies, and committees to address their specific concerns. . . . Rojava, we believe, points to an alternative future for Syria and the Middle East, a future where the peoples of different ethnic backgrounds and religions can live together, united by mutual tolerance and common institutions. Kurdish organizations have led the way, but they increasingly gain support from Arabs, Assyrians, and Chechens, who participate in their common system of self-government and organize autonomously." The Revolution in Rojava | Dissent Magazine
 
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