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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?


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Perhaps where it was and how interested you were in learning could be part of the problem

I learned what was taught without the benefit of a computer.

No. I was fortunate to have an intelligent and educated parent that picked up the slack. I went to a 3 schools, 2 of which were some of the best in the country in their respective categories (public and private). Both garbage.

What is taught is largely nonsense, which I guess explains your own anti-science attitude.
 
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I would say yes. Conservatives seem less inclined to go into that line of work. If conservatives think the education field is too liberal maybe more of them should go into the field. Probably not enough money in it, though.


this is probably very close to truth

why make 45k and deal with all the crap?

maybe when i retire in a few years, i will teach a course or two at the community college

at least i know those people WANT to be there
 
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No. I was fortunate to have an intelligent and educated parent that picked up the slack. I went to a 3 schools, 2 of which were some of the best in the country in their respective categories (public and private). Both garbage.

What is taught is largely nonsense, which I guess explains your own anti-science attitude.

So you're just another rebel. ;)
 
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So you're just another rebel. ;)

What, with my whole reverence for my parent thing? Yup, that's me, punk as ****.

Ok then. Maybe I just don't swallow things that have been known to be factually wrong for centuries just become dogmatists want to live in an alternate reality. :shrug:
 
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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?

In the absence of any real data, I default to an answer of "who knows?". Mostly this thread is, and will continue to be, that the education system is left or right of where the poster am, so therefore it is run by those opposite of the poster.
 
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Everyone is liberal compared to me, that is. ;)

I voted yes.
 
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This says it better than I...

Modern liberalism rejects, to one degree or another, the competence and sovereignty of the common man and subordinates him to the will of governments run by liberal elites. The western world's twentieth century capitulation to this philosophy is obvious--and the implications for liberty are ominous. But the history of the world also documents the heroic struggles of human beings to escape from tyrannies of all types, whether imposed by the brute force and declared entitlement of a dictator, or falsely justified by economic, religious or political sophistries. The science fiction of Marxian economic evolution, the grandiose fantasy of a New World Order, the utopian dreams of The Great Society, the myth of the divine emperor, have all had their turns on center stage in irrational man's attempts to legitimize government control and deny individual liberty.


The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Not in the real world does this happen in my experience.
 
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students, because of age, tend towards liberalism

they are students who dont fit that mold.....but the majority certainly do

rose colored glasses, and idealism.....

and again, the majority of academia is very liberal with some exceptions

i would hope students take information from both sides and process it.....and come up with their own beliefs

do i think that happens? not really....at least for the majority of students

I think the reason we see a lot of liberalism in academia is because the majority of professors don't have to live in the real world, they get to live in that liberal cocoon where money magically appears in their bank accounts from state money or federal loans and because they have tenure, they have no reason to care about what they do. They can't get fired except under the most heinous circumstances. Personal and financial responsibility means nothing to them and they can live in a liberal fantasy land forever.
 
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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?

Most educated people in the world are tolerant of different views, which makes them liberal, IMO. They also focus more on facts and logic, and like to discuss matters and different views. There is a reason that one of the first groups that Hitler went after were the professors and educators. They would catch on and write about "things" and discuss things and not be so easily swayed by dictum.

Now who is on the school board ("the system") is a different question.
 
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Most educated people in the world are tolerant of different views, which makes them liberal, IMO. They also focus more on facts and logic, and like to discuss matters and different views. There is a reason that one of the first groups that Hitler went after were the professors and educators.

You must not be very familiar with the history of intellectuals then. One of the favorite past times of intellectuals is to banish non-believers from their social circles. Furthermore, intellectuals like Trotsky were more than true believers and were saved by assassination to show us that he wasn't so damn different from Stalin in the purity game.
 
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It varies but, what most would consider Leftist propaganda like abortion rights, SSM, tolerance for sinful acts while denying faith based ones. Pushing the global warming scare and evolution as absolutes.
The worse of all is using any of this as a wedge between the students and their parent and family. That's where it gets really sick.

I of course can't speak for all public schools but many, if not all, of those topics are rarely brought up in any typical classroom. It was a pretty rare thing for our teachers to talk about things like gay marriage or abortion or global warming, and when it was the teacher certainly didn't endorse or push a view onto us. When I was in an earth science class the topic of global warming came up but it certainly wasn't pushed in a political or heavy handed way by our teacher. Also evolution was a topic in science class but there wasn't really a huge amount of time spent on it from what I remember and bringing up creation would have felt out of place in my opinion. It would have been an awkward topic to try and squeeze in and it just doesn't fit in a science class. In my government classes some of these topics came up obviously but it was usually in the context of current events and not the teacher or school promoting a specific point of view for us to concede to. Faith was never brought up in any of my classes but that's most likely because it just doesn't fit in most subjects. Like I said though I can't speak for all schools and i'm sure there are teachers out there that try to influence their students towards their particular point of view which would be wrong to do, but I do think that a lot of the fear about liberal indoctrination is kind of hard to really back up and plus I think it underestimates the students a little bit too. I think that the majority of teachers and staff have the students best interest at heart and I think most students have a better understanding of what's going on than people give them credit for. Also most students are influenced much more by their close friends than their teachers and even a lot of the times their own family. I had a lot of respect for at least two of my teachers in high school whom were amazing people and very inspirational but I still trusted my closest friends more when it came to things that may have an affect on me. But that was my experience and so I can really only speak credibly based on my own observations over the last four years that I was in high school.
 
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I think education is mostly ran by liberals, but I don't think that means there is any bias in education. As others have mentioned, I feel high school and lower tried to avoid politics as much as possible. College has been much more mixed in bias, within my program though it mostly dies off. the gen-ed classes were...yeah.
 
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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?



-Universities Yes


-Everything else, Emphatic No.



Everything beneath university is run by suburban mother football mom conservative idiots that couldn't tell you where France is on a map. That's why American universities are so Leftist. It's a backlash to the uber conservative backwardness madness of American grade school public schools. All public education below university in America is run by Good 'ol Boy conservatives of Americana suburbia who all firmly believe that they're long lost cowboys and cowgirls (even though they're a good 40+ miles from any rural area).


Has anyone talked to an American public grade school teacher about topics such as history, government and or anything in relation to intelligence? These people are the most podunk conservative ape-esq little lunatics you'll ever encounter. No wonder our nation is so educationally backwards. Our country has no real grade school teachers anymore. The average 7th grade Science teacher lectures their students on the validity of Jesus..
 
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What, with my whole reverence for my parent thing? Yup, that's me, punk as ****.

Ok then. Maybe I just don't swallow things that have been known to be factually wrong for centuries just become dogmatists want to live in an alternate reality. :shrug:

As long as you eventually see the light, nothing wrong with straying. ;)
 
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I of course can't speak for all public schools but many, if not all, of those topics are rarely brought up in any typical classroom. It was a pretty rare thing for our teachers to talk about things like gay marriage or abortion or global warming, and when it was the teacher certainly didn't endorse or push a view onto us.
When I was in an earth science class the topic of global warming came up but it certainly wasn't pushed in a political or heavy handed way by our teacher. Also evolution was a topic in science class but there wasn't really a huge amount of time spent on it from what I remember and bringing up creation would have felt out of place in my opinion. It would have been an awkward topic to try and squeeze in and it just doesn't fit in a science class.
In my government classes some of these topics came up obviously but it was usually in the context of current events and not the teacher or school promoting a specific point of view for us to concede to.
Faith was never brought up in any of my classes but that's most likely because it just doesn't fit in most subjects.
Like I said though I can't speak for all schools and i'm sure there are teachers out there that try to influence their students towards their particular point of view which would be wrong to do, but I do think that a lot of the fear about liberal indoctrination is kind of hard to really back up and plus I think it underestimates the students a little bit too. I think that the majority of teachers and staff have the students best interest at heart and I think most students have a better understanding of what's going on than people give them credit for.
Also most students are influenced much more by their close friends than their teachers and even a lot of the times their own family. I had a lot of respect for at least two of my teachers in high school whom were amazing people and very inspirational but I still trusted my closest friends more when it came to things that may have an affect on me. But that was my experience and so I can really only speak credibly based on my own observations over the last four years that I was in high school.

Sounds to me like you went to schools that actually taught rather than politicize.
 
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Sounds to me like you went to schools that actually taught rather than politicize.

They do still exist, in spite of various government bureaucracies trying to eradicate such dens of evil.
 
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Sounds to me like you went to schools that actually taught rather than politicize.

That's most likely the norm across the country and not the exception I believe. You will always have a teacher or administrator that makes a bad decision or a selfish decision and hopefully they themselves learn from those mistakes if they get in trouble, but I believe that most teachers and school districts are not out to manipulate their student's political leanings. Right now in my first year of college so far i've seen a lot more political messages and influences than I ever saw in k-12, not from the professors though but from fellow students.
 
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That's most likely the norm across the country and not the exception I believe. You will always have a teacher or administrator that makes a bad decision or a selfish decision and hopefully they themselves learn from those mistakes if they get in trouble, but I believe that most teachers and school districts are not out to manipulate their student's political leanings. Right now in my first year of college so far i've seen a lot more political messages and influences than I ever saw in k-12, not from the professors though but from fellow students.

Just remember those student's opinions were formed somewhere by someone. Their belief system is not coincidental.

Have you studied any theology in your various schooling?
 
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Just remember those student's opinions were formed somewhere by someone. Their belief system is not coincidental.

Have you studied any theology in your various schooling?

Most likely, at least in my opinion, those opinions came from friends, family, pop culture, and things like that and less so much their english class or history class or science class. To answer your follow up question I attended a school from kindergarten till the 5th grade which was an anglican private school but I was not necessarily raised with religion and after moving to the US and attending school here it's been absent. As for the schools here that I have attended no I have not studied theology at any of them. I took a humanities course in high school which talked about some of the world religions and such but I would say that that is the extent of my knowledge to be honest.
 
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As long as you eventually see the light, nothing wrong with straying. ;)

Straying from what? Reality?

No thanks. I'm not scared of the real world as you seem to be, and I don't celebrate ignorance and fear as you do.

Anti-intellectualism like yours is the reason America is lagging miles behind most of the rest of the developed world by practically every metric that has anything to do with quality of life, from health to violence to education.
 
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