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Do you believe....[W:123]

Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?


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School administration is always pretty conservative. The faculty is liberal. Liberals will teach other people how to do things. Conservatives hang on to and protect special knowledge as "job security". They invented: "Nice guys finish last."

Anyone who has been out working in the world, then gone to school to reinvent themselves will see this as plain as the day is long.

I have always taught others things that I know how to do. Yes, even today in the working world. It did bite me one time when the guy that I trained to do everything stayed on while I was let go. He may have been cheaper to keep during hard times. He's still a good friend of mine.

All of the secret keepers were let go as soon as the new owners took over. They just gave their computers to those of us that stayed to do the work of two or more employees.
 
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School administration is always pretty conservative. The faculty is liberal. Liberals will teach other people how to do things. Conservatives hang on to and protect special knowledge as "job security". They invented: "Nice guys finish last."

Anyone who has been out working in the world, then gone to school to reinvent themselves will see this as plain as the day is long.

I have always taught others things that I know how to do. Yes, even today in the working world. It did bite me one time when the guy that I trained to do everything stayed on while I was let go. He may have been cheaper to keep during hard times. He's still a good friend of mine.

All of the secret keepers were let go as soon as the new owners took over. They just gave their computers to those of us that stayed to do the work of two or more employees.


wut?

i have run offices, and businesses for a LOT of years

we are constantly adapting our systems, our software and hardware, to keep up with today's very competitive business world

every person is cross trained to do not only their job, but cover at least two other desks for vacations, emergencies, etc

no one comes back to a desk piled high....and vacations are a MUST....gives me time to find out if anything is amiss in your area

that is not liberal, or conservative thinking

that is freaking common sense in today's business world

the day i have to worry about training my replacement is the day i need to walk out the door

not sure where your point of view comes from, but it is very biased, and very wrong
 
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Um Duh? Every study of the modern education establishment, poll, and other form of measurement that we have says that Education is extremely dominated by liberals.

That's must account for the lack of links to support what you have said. Airballs.
 
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Sorry I read the question as "Do you believe in a school system run by Liberals?"

I'd like to change my vote to YES and add that we are doing a disservice to our children and the country by allowing them to be brainwashed into the Leftist agenda.

Lol its a conspiracy.
 
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I believe that schools are run by self interest, represented by the teachers unions. By in large liberals support unions so they have influence. Liberals also support political correctness and schools are often politically correct to the extreme so while fingers point toward liberalsim. it's really self interest that drives education.
 
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What do you mean as "run by"? Teachers? Professors? The head administration?
 
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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?

I dont think it's ideological like that, but it is run and funded poorly and mismanaged as much as one could mismanage it.
 
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i can see from my time on this board that i might be among the younger posters at 27 years old, so i have a feeling that i might be closer to the university experience than others (unless you are faculty)

i would say that the "colleges are liberal brainwashing factories" meme is overstated in most cases. obviously at liberal arts colleges and the faculty among ivy league and other elite universities, the faculty is overwhelming liberal and i think there are studies that support that, and it has been trending more and more liberal over the past few decades.

however, unless you are a political science major, or a humanities major, i doubt you are likely to experience this. i went to a small private school in PA, but have friends that i visited at other schools in various states, private and public, big and small. in almost all cases, the students are there to get drunk, party, and have sex with each other. i rarely heard political speech at all in any situation at any school. now, i was math/comp sci so most of my courses were numbers related and didn't lend themselves to political discussion anyway.

so i would summarize it by saying that, unless you go to school specifically to study politics or the humanities, you aren't likely to become "brainwashed", and are probably more concerned with keeping your grades good enough not get kicked out and find out where the party is this weekend. and if you went to school specifically for that, then you most likely already had a liberal disposition and it is a "preaching to the choir" thing rather than actively converting others.

finally, i think the battles over what gets put into middle school text books is what would have the greater effect in terms of planting the seeds into malleable minds before kids develop critical thinking skills and learn to question what they're being told. and the big problem now in middle school/high school is a perverse incentive system tied to standardized test scores. the kids are being taught what is on the test instead of being tested on what they are taught, and with the pressure put upon them from their parents about how critical it is to obtain a college degree today, they will memorize whatever they have to in order to get the highest score.
 
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wut?

i have run offices, and businesses for a LOT of years

we are constantly adapting our systems, our software and hardware, to keep up with today's very competitive business world

every person is cross trained to do not only their job, but cover at least two other desks for vacations, emergencies, etc

no one comes back to a desk piled high....and vacations are a MUST....gives me time to find out if anything is amiss in your area

that is not liberal, or conservative thinking

that is freaking common sense in today's business world

the day i have to worry about training my replacement is the day i need to walk out the door

not sure where your point of view comes from, but it is very biased, and very wrong

In case you didn't notice, I voted yes.

I never worried one bit about training my replacement. It was my pleasure to help another individual to succeed.

My post was certainly not intended as an invitation for you to tell us how great thou art. "Freaking common sense"? It sounds more like ISO qualifications to be a horizontal company.
 
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Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?


In my experience, elementary and middle school teachers are a mixed lot, and possibly lean a little conservative on the whole.

By the time you get to High School, I think liberalism is substantially more common among the teaching staff, from what I've seen.

And Universities of course, the prevalence of liberal professors is overwhelming.


By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com)
 
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In case you didn't notice, I voted yes.

I never worried one bit about training my replacement. It was my pleasure to help another individual to succeed.

My post was certainly not intended as an invitation for you to tell us how great thou art. "Freaking common sense"? It sounds more like ISO qualifications to be a horizontal company.


no

your post was another bashing conservatives in a very biased way

i just needed to set the record straight

and i dont give a crap how you voted.....i replied to what you wrote.....period

maybe keep your biased point of view to yourself in some things....ok?
 
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Oh, please do tell us exactly what the "leftist agenda" is.

No education is the agenda. The teachers unions have destroyed our education system and is continually allowed by liberals to maintain the teacher's union vote. That is why a voucher system will allow parents and students to choose a school based on educational performance. And not be forced to be taught by a teacher that it's their priority to squeeze high pay and benefits for not teaching, leaving our students uneducated.

This is interesting, over the past several decades despite doubling what we spend per student on kindergarten-through-12th-grade education, performance has not advanced. All because of the "can't fire me" teachers and their poor performance.
 
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no

your post was another bashing conservatives in a very biased way

i just needed to set the record straight

and i dont give a crap how you voted.....i replied to what you wrote.....period

maybe keep your biased point of view to yourself in some things....ok?

No.

Not ok Godiva. BTW, you forgot to vote.

My "point of view", or opinion is just that. It may seem biased to you, but you should just keep that to yourself since I don't give a **** what you think about my opinions. In case you didn't know, this is a debate site. It works so much better when there are two sides to each topic.

I noticed that you posted the "if you're not conservative by age..." , earlier like it was something new. That tells me quite a bit about you. I shall keep that opinion to myself.
 
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Can you describe what it is that you would consider to be the "bondage of liberalism" in school, such as the high school that your children went to? I graduated high school last May and I am currently in my first year of college and life in school was pretty normal without any noticeable political influence in the halls or classrooms. A lot of the politically driven conversations happening in high schools right now for example are usually student driven without the influence of teachers or administrators. I was involved in student government (treasurer (jr) and vice president (sr)), I was on the debate team which many of the debates were obviously influenced by political events, I was a reporter and eventually an editor for the school newspaper and other school clubs that would have assumed political influence from teachers and administrators but mostly, other than some rules, we acted on our own ideology and ethics.

It wasn't the schools as much as Austin TX. itself. High bills for everything [taxes, utilities, general cost of living, etc.], onerous regulations and permitting. [to the point where some businesses have either quit expanding or have moved to other locations] making the citizens subscribe to all sorts of 'progressive schemes with astronomical costs.

However the schools did have a greater number of like-minded Leftist morons teaching their ideology. Many of those could no longer afford the urban scene and forced to the 'burbs'.

Do you mind me asking where you went to schools and where you are now? PM if you like.
 
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When I could go to school in a blue state and still wind up "learning" that sex is evil and evolution isn't settled, no, education is not run by liberal thought, which is generally not so anti-science, or pro-ignorance. It's run by the same people as everything else: idiot ideologues and those who are willing to kowtow to them as though they are in any way worth paying attention to for longer than it takes to slam the door in their face and make sure it locked.

Think you meant Red State. And please don't pretend you know what it's like here in the 'colonies'. 8)
 
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as a teen, or a young adult, i hope you see the world in a very idealistic way

most kids tend to do this

as you grow older, and see the world as it actually is, a lot of people change how they feel about certain things

the idealism is replaced with realism

perfect example....taxes

we know that taxes have to be paid

but how much, how they are spent, and who participates are some of the sticking points

we look at government, and again the same things

how much, how much power, whether federal or state level controlled....all sticking points

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

again, idealism versus reality....at least that is my take

If only the voting age was 35. ;)
 
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I would say yes. Conservatives seem less inclined to go into that line of work. If conservatives think the education field is too liberal maybe more of them should go into the field. Probably not enough money in it, though.
 
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I bet those areas where the school system is run by conservatives are dragging the national average down. Imagine where Texas would rank on this table...

Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings

Yes and no. School performance is a reflection of numerous factors-political ideology being only one of them.

Keep in mind that D.C., fairly liberal in its own right, is one of the worst districts in both general and special education.
 
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It wasn't the schools as much as Austin TX. itself. High bills for everything [taxes, utilities, general cost of living, etc.], onerous regulations and permitting. [to the point where some businesses have either quit expanding or have moved to other locations] making the citizens subscribe to all sorts of 'progressive schemes with astronomical costs.

However the schools did have a greater number of like-minded Leftist morons teaching their ideology. Many of those could no longer afford the urban scene and forced to the 'burbs'.

Do you mind me asking where you went to schools and where you are now? PM if you like.

My early childhood was in Wales actually, so not here in the US, but from about just before middle school on I went to school here in Florida, a mixture of public and private since kindergarten. Probably half of my education was private and the other half public. Currently I attend a private university in Florida.

I guess my question is what exactly is the forced or coerced liberal education that people seem to assume is in the system?
 
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My early childhood was in Wales actually, so not here in the US, but from about just before middle school on I went to school here in Florida, a mixture of public and private since kindergarten. Probably half of my education was private and the other half public. Currently I attend a private university in Florida.

I guess my question is what exactly is the forced or coerced liberal education that people seem to assume is in the system?

It varies but, what most would consider Leftist propaganda like abortion rights, SSM, tolerance for sinful acts while denying faith based ones. Pushing the global warming scare and evolution as absolutes.
The worse of all is using any of this as a wedge between the students and their parent and family. That's where it gets really sick.
 
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Think you meant Red State. And please don't pretend you know what it's like here in the 'colonies'. 8)

I'm an American, dude. So yes, I do. I was in that sad excuse of an educational system. There's a whole world, you know, and some of us Americans go other places.

But it's not like anyone really needs to have been in the American education system to see how backwards it is. All you have to do is look at America's educational ranking compared to other developed nations, or the way adult Americans (fail to) answer questions like, "How are babies made?" It's embarrassing.
 
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I think its run by the PC police.

And where do the PC police come from, with their left-wing excessive PC foolishness?
(psst! They are liberals!)
 
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I'm an American, dude. So yes, I do. I was in that sad excuse of an educational system. There's a whole world, you know, and some of us Americans go other places.

But it's not like anyone really needs to have been in the American education system to see how backwards it is. All you have to do is look at America's educational ranking compared to other developed nations, or the way adult Americans (fail to) answer questions like, "How are babies made?" It's embarrassing.

Perhaps where it was and how interested you were in learning could be part of the problem

I learned what was taught without the benefit of a computer.
 
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