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Is Obama viewed as "Weak" by Foreign Leaders?

Is Obama viewed as "Weak" by Foreign Leaders?


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Is Obama viewed as "Weak" by Foreign Leaders?


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Is Obama viewed as "Weak" by Foreign Leaders?

No. He's seen what's referred to as a "rational actor", meaning that he doesn't do stupid crap. It's just that most of the world's leaders know he's got to deal with a Congress controlled by irrational actors, for whom stupid crap is a way of life e.g. passing fifty-odd bills to try to take away what the rest of the free world takes for granted - access to quality health insurance for those who can't afford it.
 
No, not really.
 
No. He's seen what's referred to as a "rational actor", meaning that he doesn't do stupid crap. It's just that most of the world's leaders know he's got to deal with a Congress controlled by irrational actors, for whom stupid crap is a way of life e.g. passing fifty-odd bills to try to take away what the rest of the free world takes for granted - access to quality health insurance for those who can't afford it.

You seriously think that Putin and Netenyahu see Obama as a "rational actor"? You seriously think the Saudis or the Chinese who rushed Snowden off to Russia from Hong Kong, you seriously think they see Obama as a "rational actor"?
 
No. He's seen what's referred to as a "rational actor", meaning that he doesn't do stupid crap. It's just that most of the world's leaders know he's got to deal with a Congress controlled by irrational actors, for whom stupid crap is a way of life e.g. passing fifty-odd bills to try to take away what the rest of the free world takes for granted - access to quality health insurance for those who can't afford it.

LOLOLOL, he dosent DO anything. He is impotent.
 
You seriously think that Putin and Netenyahu see Obama as a "rational actor"? You seriously think the Saudis or the Chinese who rushed Snowden off to Russia from Hong Kong, you seriously think they see Obama as a "rational actor"?

I don't see what's not "rational" about him. He's often indecisive, but I wouldn't say he acts irrationally.

Putin is quite often irrational.
 
No. He's seen what's referred to as a "rational actor",
meaning that he doesn't do stupid crap. It's just that most of the world's leaders know he's got to deal with a Congress controlled by irrational actors, for whom stupid crap is a way of life e.g. passing fifty-odd bills to try to take away what the rest of the free world takes for granted - access to quality health insurance for those who can't afford it.

Lol !!

Destabilizing the Middle east wasn't rational, it was stupid and irresponsible as all get out.

From Egypts " Arab Spring " to Lybia to Isis Obama's a walking Foreign Policy disaster.

Lol...a " rational actor " ? You apologist crack me up.
 
Foreign leaders? Which ones? And ISIS is a "foreign leader"?
 
Lol !!

Destabilizing the Middle east wasn't rational, it was stupid and irresponsible as all get out.

From Egypts " Arab Spring " to Lybia to Isis Obama's a walking Foreign Policy disaster.

Lol...a " rational actor " ? You apologist crack me up.

Obama alone is responsible for destabilizing the Middle East? I thought it was already destabilized once he took power... He just continued it... And Egypt's Arab Spring was Obama's fault? You do realize Mubarak was our bud right? And this isnt coming from an apologist.. But then again I have been told if you dont blame Obama for almost everything, or if you dont fit the narrative constantly, then you are an "apologist" in some crowds...
 
Lol !!

Destabilizing the Middle east wasn't rational, it was stupid and irresponsible as all get out.

From Egypts " Arab Spring " to Lybia to Isis Obama's a walking Foreign Policy disaster.

Lol...a " rational actor " ? You apologist crack me up.

It was President Bush who Destabilized the Middle East, you crack me up. ISIS would not exist today if Bush didn't invade Iraq.
 
It was President Bush who Destabilized the Middle East, you crack me up. ISIS would not exist today if Bush didn't invade Iraq.

True, but it wasn't just the removal of Hussein, but Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, that has strengthened Iran and delivered the Islamic state. This is a bi-partisan effort.
 
I don't see what's not "rational" about him. He's often indecisive, but I wouldn't say he acts irrationally.

Putin is quite often irrational.

I don't think Putin is irrational if you understand Russian history and the Russian mindset. Obama had the CIA oust the Russian backed elected leader of Ukraine. Russia had warned not to do this. Russia has always considered Ukraine as its historical territory and this was always common knowledge that you never mess with Ukraine or else you get Russia. How Obama didn't fully grasp this nor did his advisers is beyond me. Obama's indecision once this all occurred is really historically unforgivable. This is geopolitical novice stuff here that even a bad student of history should have been able to predict Russian counters would occur. Putin is doing exactly what a Russian leader is supposed to.

Indecision is irrationality though if it becomes a pattern. When Russian Spetsnaz are murdering your allies in their own country and you have no even basic direction and your allies are asking what's going on that sounds the near definition of irrational by even the most generous measurements. I don't think Obama was ready for the presidency geopoliticaly. He's getting geopolitically raped by Russia. He clearly doesn't know even the basic about Russian sentiments and how they see that part of the world. It's somewhat embarrassing.
 
I don't think Putin is irrational if you understand Russian history and the Russian mindset. Obama had the CIA oust the Russian backed elected leader of Ukraine.
This is poppycock. The CIA had no more input in the Maidan revolution than it had in multiple Middle East revolutions during the 2010-2012 Arab Spring. The CIA was actually caught flatfooted in all of these events.
 
Absolutely. Obama should have committed US forces (possibly a clone army) to Ukraine to fight the separatists, and he should be nuking both the entire Middle East (except Israel) and Moscow as we speak.
 
Simpleχity;1064552480 said:
This is poppycock. The CIA had no more input in the Maidan revolution than it had in multiple Middle East revolutions during the 2010-2012 Arab Spring. The CIA was actually caught flatfooted in all of these events.

Laugh out loud.
 
Me too. You never did prove your CIA/Ukraine conspiracy.
 
Is Obama viewed as "Weak" by Foreign Leaders?


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Wouldn't you have to ask foreign leaders that question? I suppose you want to know if I view foreign leaders as viewing Obama as weak. Not any weaker than Bush.
 
"He's both a secret Muslin turrist and a radical Black Liberation Theology Christian. He's also a fascist war-monger and a communist wealth re-distributor. He's a ***** who capitulates to foreign governments, and a wannabe Steven Seagal who brutally orders the execution of innocent people. He's a do-nothing empty suit who has single-handedly destroyed the country."
 
From an old Political Psychology textbook of mine:

When decision makers hold the so-called colonial image of another country, they consider that country and its people to be inferior in terms of culture and capabilities. They also assume that the people are incompetent and childlike, and are ruled by a small elite who are generally not a threat and who are often corrupt.

When an enemy image is held, that country is seen as equal in capability and culture and threatening in intentions. The enemy is ruled by a small elite, but one that can cleverly strategize policies that will attempt to hurt the perceivers country. The tactics used in responding to such a state are global in focus, competitive, and noncompromising, because you cannot trust such a country.

An ally image is perceived as equal in terms of capability and culture, but also very similar to your country in values. Intentions of an ally are believed to be good.

A country with a barbarian image are regarded as superior in capability and inferior in culture. They are also aggressive in intentions, which makes them very frightening.

A country with an imperialist imagine is perceived to be superior in culture and capability but its intentions can be either harmful or benevolent. Either way, imperialists are a dominant people, and resisting them would be very difficult.

A country with a rogue image is deemed to be inferior in capability and culture but also very harmful in its intentions.

Lastly, there is the country with the degenerate image, which may be powerful and culturally advanced, but also weak-willed, undisciplined, and lacking the will to follow through on expressed goals and plans of action.


I'd say that last is how we are generally viewed by the Putins, the Assads, the Khameini's, etc. of the world.
 
Laugh out loud.
And by the way Montecresto, not even your best-bud Putin promotes that old CIAdidit poppycock. Here is what Putin said to the Russian people about the 2014 Ukraine revolution during his annual call-in television show on 16 April 2015.

"What happened? People simply got sick and tired of poverty, stealing and the impudence of the authorities, their relentless greed and corruption, from oligarchs who climbed to power. People got fed up with all this. Didn’t we have the same in the 1990s? We have had all this. We have been through all this. And this takes place everywhere, so it happened in Ukraine."
 
Simpleχity;1064552870 said:
And by the way Montecresto, not even your best-bud Putin promotes that old CIAdidit poppycock. Here is what Putin said to the Russian people about the 2014 Ukraine revolution during his annual call-in television show on 16 April 2015.

"What happened? People simply got sick and tired of poverty, stealing and the impudence of the authorities, their relentless greed and corruption, from oligarchs who climbed to power. People got fed up with all this. Didn’t we have the same in the 1990s? We have had all this. We have been through all this. And this takes place everywhere, so it happened in Ukraine."


CIA, perhaps. Don't know. I have certainly blamed the State Department

Putin blames West for Ukraine crisis during trade visit to Egypt | euronews, world news

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/16/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-idUSKBN0N70W820150416

http://vl-news.com/politics/putin-blamed-the-us-for-the-ukrainian-crisis-00001221.html
 
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No, not really.

No, not really,

Putin tells Obama to jump and how high. He pulled out of Iraq and now it's in flames along with the rest of the middle east. Iran has Obama by the balls while Obama begs them for a deal. etc etc This is the leaderless lead from behind president in US history.
 
No. He's seen what's referred to as a "rational actor", meaning that he doesn't do stupid crap. It's just that most of the world's leaders know he's got to deal with a Congress controlled by irrational actors, for whom stupid crap is a way of life e.g. passing fifty-odd bills to try to take away what the rest of the free world takes for granted - access to quality health insurance for those who can't afford it.

Rational, you call exchanging 5 terrorists for a deserter is rational. And then tells the American people he served the United States with honor and distinction.
 
No, not really,

Putin tells Obama to jump and how high. He pulled out of Iraq and now it's in flames along with the rest of the middle east. Iran has Obama by the balls while Obama begs them for a deal. etc etc This is the leaderless lead from behind president in US history.

I'm sorry but a significant number of Americans wanted him to pull out of Iraq, we're the ones that told Obama how high to jump. As to the rest, along with plenty of company, you're still in denial about the effects of a uni-polar world, and the determination of others to combat it.
 
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