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Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?


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I don't give a damn what you do as long as you can take personal responsibility for it. If you can't make that commitment then to hell with you. Those carrying the tax load deserve better than that.

I take personal responsibility, your broad brush stereotyping is not very illuminating.

And, for the third time, Are you for banning tobacco and alcohol?
 
No I don't.
But everyone does it anyway so why not. We may as well make some tax dollars off of it. It would be an economy booster!
 
So we should ban marijuana because during time of use its intoxicating?

The question was posted by you. I quote "Smoking pot "reduces your ability to contribute to society"? How so?"

And here was my answer: Do you agree or not with my answer? After that I will gladly answer your question about banning Marijuana.

"Lets ask the question another way. Does alcohol cause auto accidents? Of course the answer is yes. So in that case alcohol surly is not contributing to society. The same could be said for Pot and all the other drugs for that matter. I'm not saying we should ban alcohol, but in the true sense alcohol and pot does reduce one's ability to contribute. I would not call alcohol related deaths contribute to anything except increasing the death rate."
 
In honor of 4/20:
Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?

It should be a state issue period. The federal government has no proper power to tell say the citizens of Idaho if they can grow and smoke weed. If Ohio bans it, the federal government should not have anything to do with that decision
 
The question was posted by you. I quote "Smoking pot "reduces your ability to contribute to society"? How so?"

And here was my answer: Do you agree or not with my answer? After that I will gladly answer your question about banning Marijuana.

"Lets ask the question another way. Does alcohol cause auto accidents? Of course the answer is yes. So in that case alcohol surly is not contributing to society. The same could be said for Pot and all the other drugs for that matter. I'm not saying we should ban alcohol, but in the true sense alcohol and pot does reduce one's ability to contribute. I would not call alcohol related deaths contribute to anything except increasing the death rate."

Alcohol abuse can cause car accidents, drunk driving can cause auto accidents. Me having 4 beers while watching baseball on tv does not reduce my ability to contribute to society. Me vaping some marijuana before bed while watching baseball on tv does not reduce my ability to contribute to society.
 
I take personal responsibility, your broad brush stereotyping is not very illuminating.

And, for the third time, Are you for banning tobacco and alcohol?

So you might take personal responsibility in your engaging in drugs, so what? There are too many in our society who can't even take responsibility for getting pregnant even though birth control is just blocks away to obtain for free. Nor men take responsibility for the children they father tying up our courts with a plethora of cases on the taxpayers's dime just trying to squeeze out any funds from these bastards deserving their children. Many of these kids were created under the influence where good judgment went out the window under the influence of alcohol and drugs.

Sooooooo, if you want to see drugs legalized, then pony up and agree to acknowledge personal responsibility is paramount for that happening. If not, stick a sock in it.
 
Alcohol abuse can cause car accidents, drunk driving can cause auto accidents. Me having 4 beers while watching baseball on tv does not reduce my ability to contribute to society. Me vaping some marijuana before bed while watching baseball on tv does not reduce my ability to contribute to society.

But it does not enhance your ability to contribute. Meaning once a person begins to drink or smoke pot your ability diminishes and the more you drink or smoke is when the accident happens and death can happen. This is a fact that once you begin use your ability decreases.

Having said that, we could ban cars, alcohol, pot etc etc but as a society we accept the fact that cars kill people, as does alcohol and pot. But as a society we want our cars and our alcohol and our pot and are willing to live with the consequences.

As for banning pot it should be up to the states.
 
YOU displayed the butthurt, just reminding you of your own behavior.

Lmao, making it up as you go? Par for the course.

More nonsense and flat out ignorance. One of us has actually studied the affects of THC on the brain and the other is you. And no, tolerance dictates how high you feel, NOT how high or impaired you actually are. Same with alcohol. Yes, a urine test would still show positive, but a blood test would not show the same levels of THC. You don't need to go on, though I'm positive you will anyway. What you need is an education. Start here:

Good grief, you studied the effects of THC? Did you also make it as you went? Here, let's let a laboratory actually discuss this:

Drug Testing Myths Busted | Employee Drug Screening Services

Myth 18: New marijuana use can be detected by comparing THC levels in consecutive samples.

Truth:

New marijuana use cannot be detected using only the THC level, as the drug concentration relative to the amount of water in consecutive samples may be very different. The only way to determine new use in consecutive samples is to compare THC/Creatinine ratios. If the ratio has gone up in the second specimen then new use has likely occurred. TOP

Marijuana Drug Test Detection Times | California NORML

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However, what definitely PROVES me right is your own source man:

How Will Police Regulate Stoned Driving? | Popular Science

"The properties of marijuana are not going to liken themselves very much to a 'breathalyzer' type test," says Dr. Christina Hantsch, a toxicologist working within the Loyola University Health System. "I think it's going to have to be a different bodily fluid if you're looking for more immediate testing."
Why? For one, THC is fat-soluble, which means it can be absorbed by the body's fat cells and remain within the metabolism for extended periods of time. For heavy users, THC can remain within the body for days, making it difficult to connect the presence of THC in a person's bloodstream with that person't current state of impairment. For chronic users the picture is even murkier. Regular marijuana users who stop using cannabis can still have detectable amounts of THC in the bloodstream even 30 days after they cease using. There are even documented cases of former chronic users that haven't had a dose of cannabis in years testing positive for THC while undergoing rapid weight loss, Hantsch says. THC is really good at tucking itself away in the body's fat cells, and it can remain there for a really long time.

AGAIN, what that all means is the exact opposite of this:

Yes, we can tell if you're currently stoned medically.

It also tells us the suspect's judgment is very likely impaired.

And even this:

Now, having pot in your system, in a state where it's entirely illegal does tell us the suspect is willing to break the law, and has.

Do you want to proceed? Or do you want to throw out more popular science magazines? So far what we have is that drug tests, at best can detect THC levels in a person's system. They can't detect how high someone is, that is something you made up. Your OWN SOURCE even acknowledges that it can be detected LONG AFTER the person has stopped using. Here, let's do a simple test on just how absurd your understanding of this subject is:

If person X smokes weed for 6 months, quits for a week and then tests positive, are they still stoned? :lol: Take your time answering.

No, I didn't make any claim, I made a general observation to counter YOUR general observation. Play with the words all you like, it's not working for you here.

Not to mention the suspect is usually a dealer, not just a casual user, something that will still make them a criminal even with legal recreational pot.

Um yes, you did.

Lol.. you did make a claim. Now I'm asking you to back it up.
 
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But it does not enhance your ability to contribute. Meaning once a person begins to drink or smoke pot your ability diminishes and the more you drink or smoke is when the accident happens and death can happen. This is a fact that once you begin use your ability decreases.
Nor was it reduced. I dont plan on doing anything during that time, nor am I, I am literally going to sit my ass on a chair consume 4 beers or consume some marijuana, while staring a a television set showing baseball. Then I am going to go to sleep. Wake up feeling fine, rested, and go to work. Nowhere in there was my ability to contribute to society reduced. The only thing that was effected was my enjoyment.

Having said that, we could ban cars, alcohol, pot etc etc but as a society we accept the fact that cars kill people, as does alcohol and pot. But as a society we want our cars and our alcohol and our pot and are willing to live with the consequences.
We could ban all of those. Is it right that it is banned?

As for banning pot it should be up to the states.
Ok. Are you in favor of legalization in your state? Or is it already legalized and do you agree with the move or not?
 
Yes it should be legalized .Keeping outdated methods of prohibition has and most likely will never work. 18 + it of course will probably be taxed . I'm sure any marrijuana plants will also be taxed .
 
In honor of 4/20:
Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?

All drugs should be made legal.. Eliminate the profit and you eliminate the crooks, including Big Pharma.
 
Nor was it reduced. I dont plan on doing anything during that time, nor am I, I am literally going to sit my ass on a chair consume 4 beers or consume some marijuana, while staring a a television set showing baseball. Then I am going to go to sleep. Wake up feeling fine, rested, and go to work. Nowhere in there was my ability to contribute to society reduced. The only thing that was effected was my enjoyment.

You were in a state of non functioning when you started using and stayed in that state and that is responsible use. Having said that, a person could be in that state of being drunk and an emergency happens then you are not in a state to contribute. That is the problem as I said before, once you start using you're being impaired. That's a fact.
And the more you use the worse your impairment. That is also a fact.

We could ban all of those. Is it right that it is banned?

I already addressed this, I said as a society we want our cars, alcohol, pot etc and are willing to accept the consequences. The consequences are deaths and innocent deaths.

Ok. Are you in favor of legalization in your state? Or is it already legalized and do you agree with the move or not?

I see it the same as alcohol, both can be misused and tragedies happen because of its use, however we've accepted that fact. Mind altering drugs has been around for all of mankind and we as a society accept that to a point.
 
So you might take personal responsibility in your engaging in drugs, so what? There are too many in our society who can't even take responsibility for getting pregnant even though birth control is just blocks away to obtain for free. Nor men take responsibility for the children they father tying up our courts with a plethora of cases on the taxpayers's dime just trying to squeeze out any funds from these bastards deserving their children. Many of these kids were created under the influence where good judgment went out the window under the influence of alcohol and drugs.

Sooooooo, if you want to see drugs legalized, then pony up and agree to acknowledge personal responsibility is paramount for that happening. If not, stick a sock in it.

You can't answer the simple yes or no question I asked.

And, yes, I take personal responsibility for my self if I am high, drunk or sober.

Are you for banning tobacco and alcohol?
 
The Feds have no constitutional authority to make drugs illegal to begin with... if those of us who desire to live free from government interference in our lives would just fight with the main weapon available to us, i.e. the Constitution - we could handcuff the FedGov in pretty short order.
 
Not only should it be legalized but that fat **** tyrant chris christie, along with everyone at the DEA, should be restricted to a weed only diet
 
Lmao, making it up as you go? Par for the course.



Good grief, you studied the effects of THC? Did you also make it as you went? Here, let's let a laboratory actually discuss this:

Drug Testing Myths Busted | Employee Drug Screening Services



Marijuana Drug Test Detection Times | California NORML

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However, what definitely PROVES me right is your own source man:

How Will Police Regulate Stoned Driving? | Popular Science



AGAIN, what that all means is the exact opposite of this:





And even this:



Do you want to proceed? Or do you want to throw out more popular science magazines? So far what we have is that drug tests, at best can detect THC levels in a person's system. They can't detect how high someone is, that is something you made up. Your OWN SOURCE even acknowledges that it can be detected LONG AFTER the person has stopped using. Here, let's do a simple test on just how absurd your understanding of this subject is:

If person X smokes weed for 6 months, quits for a week and then tests positive, are they still stoned? :lol: Take your time answering.





Um yes, you did.

Lol.. you did make a claim. Now I'm asking you to back it up.

It's damn easy to fake a drug test anyway. I used to do research work with ex cons and yeah, one who was on probation was high even during the test and still managed to pass

The real bitch for them, with the criminal record, is getting far enough in the job process to be granted a drug test
 
It should be a state issue period. The federal government has no proper power to tell say the citizens of Idaho if they can grow and smoke weed. If Ohio bans it, the federal government should not have anything to do with that decision

9th amendment + 14th + griswold v connecticut:

"And, the Ninth Amendment, in indicating that not all such liberties are specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments, is surely relevant in showing the existence of other fundamental personal rights, now protected from state, as well as federal, infringement."

Further, in any legal system worthy of the designation, you need a valid reason to *deny* rights. There simply is none when it comes to weed use. And **** any state that pretends otherwise

What's really offensive is it's a class 1 drug - highest potency and addictiveness, right alongside heroin. This is the relic of hysteria from a time when propagandist stories abounded of a mysterious drug inducing normally dutiful teenagers into killing their parents with an axe, and other such absurdities
 
Lawrence Welk was for marijuana.

 
You were in a state of non functioning
No I was in a state of intoxication/relaxation.

when you started using and stayed in that state and that is responsible use. Having said that, a person could be in that state of being drunk and an emergency happens then you are not in a state to contribute. That is the problem as I said before, once you start using you're being impaired. That's a fact.
Could be. There could be an emergency while I'm asleep and I not know, there could be an emergency at any given moment and I cannot "contribute". The world of hypotheticals is infinite here..

And the more you use the worse your impairment. That is also a fact.
Sure. So what? The more McDonalds I eat the fatter I become over time.

I already addressed this, I said as a society we want our cars, alcohol, pot etc and are willing to accept the consequences. The consequences are deaths and innocent deaths.
So since Marijuana is legalized in Colorado one would expect drug related driving fatalities to increase? Correct? Instead the opposite happened. Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows - The Washington Post


I see it the same as alcohol, both can be misused and tragedies happen because of its use, however we've accepted that fact. Mind altering drugs has been around for all of mankind and we as a society accept that to a point.
So yes or no?
 
Then stop reading his posts.

Well, by "your" I meant the general "your", not Demsocialist in specific.

Nobody deserves to be in jail for using drugs, but even taking into consideration the appalling nature of the drug war and its victims, there is something incredibly narcissistic about making one's drug use a civil rights issue (even if, admittedly, it is) when people have real problems they didn't choose, such as lack of access to jobs, shelter, health care, education, water or electricity. Those are real problems.
 
I voted "yes", with the caveat being "legal" in the same sense that alcohol is "legal".

Age restrictions, driving restrictions, working restrictions, ......those kinds of things.

Marijuana laws and "legality" should mirror alcohol laws and legality.
 
Lmao, making it up as you go? Par for the course.

Heh, you always go there when you get scalded. Predictable.

Good grief, you studied the effects of THC? Did you also make it as you went? Here, let's let a laboratory actually discuss this:

Drug Testing Myths Busted | Employee Drug Screening Services

Yes, 40+ years ago when I was at Southern Oregon College running the rat lab for the Psych department.

Do you want to proceed? Or do you want to throw out more popular science magazines? So far what we have is that drug tests, at best can detect THC levels in a person's system. They can't detect how high someone is, that is something you made up. Your OWN SOURCE even acknowledges that it can be detected LONG AFTER the person has stopped using. Here, let's do a simple test on just how absurd your understanding of this subject is:

If person X smokes weed for 6 months, quits for a week and then tests positive, are they still stoned? :lol: Take your time answering.

Yeah, you throw out all this but fail to understand what the hell they are talking about. Forget urine and company drug testing, as I've been trying to get across to you. Those tests only indicate presence or lack thereof. Look at the blood column of the Norml chart you posted. How long is pot detectable in the blood, even with regular use?

We can and do determine amount of THC by blood test. The discussion now is what reading will be considered legally impaired. And again, you show you misunderstand the medical term tolerance or this issue.

Um yes, you did.

Lol.. you did make a claim. Now I'm asking you to back it up.

Typical from you. No, I didn't. I was speaking generally as were YOU. Now if you wish to be specific about it, offer up some cases.
 
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