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Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?


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My grandmother used to catch cats in traps and pitchfork them with the garden tiller through the holes of the trap. Possums + racoons too. That said, I do feel bad for animals. I do think there's too many cats though and that more of them need to be killed because they're killing off all the native bird species and it's a disaster and cats really are out of control.

Had your grandmother made sure more of the cats were spayed and neutered, she wouldn't have had to trap and kill them.
I will never understand why people blame animals. Spay, neuter. Start with one. Yes, it does make a huge difference.
 
properties have no feelings ,they cant breathe either

That's not true; dogs breathe and have some emotions. They are still property.
 
Ehhh. I suppose context matters. Even in the context of someone deliberately inflicting harm on an animal, it still depends on context.

I eat a lot of chicken, pork, and beef; I don't particularly care if the animal killed for my meal suffered beforehand, as we've already reached the threshold of death, which is the worst harm you can inflict on a living creature.

You're not asking about legality, so does the thought of someone like abusing their pet dog or neglecting them bother me? Okay, sure, it bothers me. Do I think there is any basis for any kind of law restricting such behavior? No, I do not - their animal is their property.

Yeah, it bothers you so much you don't think anything should actually be done about it. Besides, you've already said that animal suffering is irrelevant to you. No need now to manufacture some sort of "compassion". Do I respect your stated opinions? Not really. There are, thankfully, very few people so indifferent to animal cruelty that they actually believe it should be legal.
 
so you can kill your dog if you want ?

People literally do that all the time. You've never heard of animals being put down?
 
so you can kill your dog if you want ?

He's saying he can do anything with his dogs he wants to. Someone where I live left a dog in a garage when they moved away. The dog, of course, starved to death. That makes me angry and sad for the dog. Jay thinks that's perfectly fine and would do nothing to intervene even if he could. I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.
 
It's my belief that all animals have a spirit and a connection to the planet and to the other animals around it, including us, and so abusing that connection shows a lack of respect and understanding for all of the living creatures around us and for life in general. If you go one step further and take an animals life without showing that same respect and dignity towards it and allowing its spirit to release in a quick and meaningful way then it's my belief that it upsets the balance one death at a time and taints the remains that you would then consume or discard. Allowing something to suffer through neglect or abuse should be intolerable for most people but unfortunately it is not.
 
He's saying he can do anything with his dogs he wants to. Someone where I live left a dog in a garage when they moved away. The dog, of course, starved to death. That makes me angry and sad for the dog. Jay thinks that's perfectly fine and would do nothing to intervene even if he could. I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.

yes it is interesting.maybe they want to satisfy their cruel sides in their nature
 
Yeah, it bothers you so much you don't think anything should actually be done about it.

No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.

Besides, you've already said that animal suffering is irrelevant to you.

In a specific context, yes:
OP: "Animal rights is the idea that some, or all, non-human animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests – such as the lack of suffering – should be afforded the same consideration as similar interests of human beings."

Me: "Animals are property - suffering is irrelevant."

IOW, suffering is not relevant when it comes to the question of rights. Other known animal species are not sapient nor sentient at any point in their lifespan - they have no rights.

There are, thankfully, very few people so indifferent to animal cruelty that they actually believe it should be legal.

I would not thank the mob for enacting feel-good legislation with no rational basis that pushes their morality onto others. Personal choice is the paramount notion when it comes to behavior that does not impact the rights of any other humans.

I may disapprove of others' words or behaviors without wanting to push my standards as law.
 
I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.

Cause I like dogs? :confused:


Do you need a couple of examples of things that bother me and I think no one should be doing yet should be perfectly legal?

Smoking.
Westboro Baptist Church assembling on the public property near funerals and holding up their hateful little signs.
 
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No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.



In a specific context, yes:


IOW, suffering is not relevant when it comes to the question of rights. Other known animal species are not sapient nor sentient at any point in their lifespan - they have no rights.



I would not thank the mob for enacting feel-good legislation with no rational basis that pushes their morality onto others. Personal choice is the paramount notion when it comes to behavior that does not impact the rights of any other humans.

I may disapprove of others' words or behaviors without wanting to push my standards as law.

I understand you believe all this and couldn't give a single **** about animals suffering so I don't know what you think you're trying to convince me of. I get it. I understand your position and stay the hell away from my dogs.
 
No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.

When one important factor is missing, meaning if citizens are not behaving responsibly, then yes, goverment must intervene. I am all for the right to live and let live, but some should have that right revoked when it becomes clear that the person is interfering negatively with the lives and liberties of other beings.
 
I get it. I understand your position and stay the hell away from my dogs.


No, you clearly don't get it, because you're saying garbage like this.
 
Cause I like dogs? :confused:

Well, I don't know you but I would not be optimistic about the quality of life any dogs have when animal suffering is of no concern to their caretaker. Anyway, time to get up so I can give my dog her medication. Totally blows your mind that I would actually buy, for my dog, meds to make her feel better, doesn't it?
 
When one important factor is missing, meaning if citizens are not behaving responsibly, then yes, goverment must intervene. I am all for the right to live and let live, but some should have that right revoked when it becomes clear that the person is interfering negatively with the lives and liberties of other beings.

You're not going to suddenly convince him that compassion for animals is of any value. He sees his dogs as no different than a toaster.
 
Well, I don't know you but I would not be optimistic about the quality of life any dogs have when animal suffering is of no concern to their caretaker.

My dogs are my property - they do not have rights. Both of those are assertions of fact. As is the fact that I enjoy their company and treat them well. As is the fact that I respect other people's property. Your personal attacks and insinuations are uncalled for.

Anyway, time to get up so I can give my dog her medication. Totally blows your mind that I would actually buy, for my dog, meds to make her feel better, doesn't it?

Why would that blow my mind considering we take them to the vet and I have administered medication to them?

The only thing that blows my mind regarding vet care is how much some people are willing to spend on extremely sick pets; it's their money their business, I suppose, but the idea of spending thousands on a pet (unless you're Mr. Moneybags and thousands of dollars is trivial to you) is completely alien to me. But my dog had an ear infection and it was clearly bothering him so we certainly got drops and we put them in his ear every night. Those drops weren't cheap. But he feels better, so cool, I'm okay with the expense.

Personally, I think if you're going to spend thousands of dollars for something's well-being, donating it to charity that provides for other human beings - a food bank, a free clinic - would be more appropriate. But like I said, personal liberty, your property, etc.
 
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My dogs are my property - they do not have rights. Both of those are assertions of fact. As is the fact that I enjoy their company and treat them well. As is the fact that I respect other people's property. Your personal attacks and insinuations are uncalled for.



Why would that blow my mind considering we take them to the vet and I have administered medication to them?

The only thing that blows my mind regarding vet care is how much some people are willing to spend on extremely sick pets; it's their money their business, I suppose, but the idea of spending thousands on a pet (unless you're Mr. Moneybags and thousands of dollars is trivial to you) is completely alien to me. But my dog had an ear infection and it was clearly bothering him so we certainly got drops and we put them in his ear every night. Those drops weren't cheap. But he feels better, so cool, I'm okay with the expense.

Personally, I think if you're going to spend thousands of dollars for something's well-being, donating it to charity that provides for other human beings - a food bank, a free clinic - would be more appropriate. But like I said, personal liberty, your property, etc.

Pets, such as a dog, bring an unlimited and pure supply of love to the family that it is a part of. It doesn't matter how bad your day was or what is going on in your life your pet is always there for you in a positive way, it's a very difficult thing to find in life. The reason people spend thousands of dollars on their pet when it is sick or in need of major medical care is because they love their pet just like they do any member of their family and see the value of continuing its life for everybody involved including the pet. I grew up with dogs and my parents still have the same dog that has been a part of my life since before middle school. He is a part of our family, he is in family photos, he is called by his name, he is not just property to us. Donating him to charity would be like my parents donating me to charity, it wouldn't happen, they'd find a way to help him even in his most daunting hour. Anyway that's just a personal example.
 
In many cases, most in fact the group you call "mythical" can be observed right here at DP in action, nothing "mythical" about that. And yes they do say all sorts of wacky things and get judgemental. Again nothing "mythical" about that either.

So you got trolled on the internet. Gratz. Let's see these wack-jobs run that crazy **** in real life. They don't. I don't see them anywhere.

You're tilting at windmills.
 
So you got trolled on the internet. Gratz. Let's see these wack-jobs run that crazy **** in real life. They don't. I don't see them anywhere.

You're tilting at windmills.

We don't see them in real life huh? How about members of PETA? I mean just because you don't want to see or interact with them does not mean anyone trolled or that I am chasing windmills.
 
We don't see them in real life huh? How about members of PETA? I mean just because you don't want to see or interact with them does not mean anyone trolled or that I am chasing windmills.

You mean those hot naked chicks with some tagline about fur?

Even I've given up griping about PETA and I used to do it all the time. It's trite. Find something else to be a victim of.
 
You mean those hot naked chicks with some tagline about fur?

Even I've given up griping about PETA and I used to do it all the time. It's trite. Find something else to be a victim of.

Bwahahaha! OK.
 
My dogs are my property - they do not have rights. Both of those are assertions of fact. As is the fact that I enjoy their company and treat them well. As is the fact that I respect other people's property. Your personal attacks and insinuations are uncalled for.



Why would that blow my mind considering we take them to the vet and I have administered medication to them?

The only thing that blows my mind regarding vet care is how much some people are willing to spend on extremely sick pets; it's their money their business, I suppose, but the idea of spending thousands on a pet (unless you're Mr. Moneybags and thousands of dollars is trivial to you) is completely alien to me. But my dog had an ear infection and it was clearly bothering him so we certainly got drops and we put them in his ear every night. Those drops weren't cheap. But he feels better, so cool, I'm okay with the expense.

Personally, I think if you're going to spend thousands of dollars for something's well-being, donating it to charity that provides for other human beings - a food bank, a free clinic - would be more appropriate. But like I said, personal liberty, your property, etc.

Lol, it totally sounds like you'd resent your poor dog for his ear infection or want a medal for actually buying him something he needs. Dogs aren't cheap and if you resent the cost of their care, nobody's making you have them. Think of all the money you could save. I really don't get why you have them anyway viewing them as worthy of..well...basically nothing. What do you get out of it? I'd easily spend whatever necessary for my dogs without a second thought what someone who believes animal cruelty should be legal thinks.
 
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When I hear of dog fighting, all I can think of is to have those who run these events, or even make bets, have their hands tied behind their backs and having them go one on one with a vicious pitbull. Don't even get me started on those who just throw small dogs in the cages for entertainment.
We don't punish animal abuse severely enough. Dogs running the streets with their litters, dogs being left in cars, tight down on small chains and often without water or shelter. Animals being kicked and stomped on, cows basically suffocating in their own filth, chickens raised in conditions that are barbaric. I better stop, the day has just begun.
I agree unreservedly. Especially regarding the dog fighting scum. Were there justice in this world, they'd have their eyes gouged out, before being secured to a concrete floor and having their limbs smashed to pulp with sledge hammers, then left to die from their injuries.
 
I agree unreservedly. Especially regarding the dog fighting scum. Were there justice in this world, they'd have their eyes gouged out, before being secured to a concrete floor and having their limbs smashed to pulp with sledge hammers, then left to die from their injuries.

I should make it very clear that I really don't condone violence of any sort, but justice, or call it just punishment, should be discussed by those in authority.
 
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