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Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 39.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 45.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 15.3%

  • Total voters
    59
Or, we could get over the ridiculous fear of consuming insects and start looking at them for tasty meals like other cultures.

Insects are animals as well? So you feel only the cute fuzzy ones are worth protecting?
 
Or, we could get over the ridiculous fear of consuming insects and start looking at them for tasty meals like other cultures.

Why would I eat bugs when I can eat a cow?
 
Would "freedom from cruelty" include not eating them? No one hunts cow...

Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.
 
Why would I eat bugs when I can eat a cow?

Many bugs actually taste like the meat we eat now. Why eat a cow when you're more then likely supporting a horrid industry?
 
It tastes good. People really only need 4 small serves of meat a week. Most people tend to have it with every evening meal though and often for lunch (myself included, animals are yummy). This isn't healthy, it leads to consuming too much fat and stuff.

In relation to the thread topic, if everyone cut down on how much meat they eat to the level that their body actually needs all the nutrients and protein and stuff, farming practices could be eased to have less animals in a given area, increasing animal welfare and reducing water use, land farmed for animal feed, and, if you really want to get hippy about it, greenhouse emissions.

The only downside to reducing meat consumption is less tasty meals.

Good points all around.
 
So... you say they don't have rights, then go to say they should have the right to not be treated cruelly. Got it.

I think cars should be serviced frequently. That doesn't mean I think cars have the right to regular services. Animals cannot understand the concept of rights, they cannot exercise rights. I'm advocating limiting peoples behaviour because I don't like it when people are cruel to animals.
 
I think cars should be serviced frequently. That doesn't mean I think cars have the right to regular services. Animals cannot understand the concept of rights, they cannot exercise rights. I'm advocating limiting peoples behaviour because I don't like it when people are cruel to animals.

Completely different, cars don't feel pain or exhibit sentience.
 
Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.

So what would happen to all the animals now being taken care of by farmers? Pigs, cows chickens etc? Someone has to pay to take care of them as they are domestic animals and have been for centuries. If the farmers are no longer making money on them...

Well you get the picture.
 
Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.

Would it be cruel to kill a dog's unborn puppies?
 
People keep pigs/cows/chickens as pets :roll:

Irrelevant. They are not traditional pets. They are food animals for the most part.
 
So what would happen to all the animals now being taken care of by farmers? Pigs, cows chickens etc? Someone has to pay to take care of them as they are domestic animals and have been for centuries. If the farmers are no longer making money on them...

Well you get the picture.

Farmers usually give animals access to all I have said, most of them, factory farms, where the majority of meat comes from, most of the animals are horribly bred, mutated, inbred.. It would honestly be more ethical to put them all down, and eliminating factory farming would actually increase the profit farmers would make.
 
It varies wildly, but for the most basic: Access to food, water, adequate living space, freedom from cruelty, unneeded experimentation, pain, separation of animal families. Hunting is completely different, this is in reference to animals deliberately being kept.

Several questions:
1.)Can I kill my chicken/cow/etc? If so how? And how do I ensure its not cruel?
2.)Are zoos okay?
3.)Separating animals, does that mean I can have a dog or not? After all many dog (meaning my families, 14 year old lab) was separated from her mother at a very young age?
4.)I agree many factory farms are extremely ****ed up, and extremely disturbing, but is there actually a realistic solution to this?
 
Many bugs actually taste like the meat we eat now. Why eat a cow when you're more then likely supporting a horrid industry?

So what, just go out back and gather a whole bunch of them up? How many should I eat?
 
Or, we could get over the ridiculous fear of consuming insects and start looking at them for tasty meals like other cultures.

Then we'll get the insect rights movement. :roll: Have you ever tried breeding insects, it's a lot harder than you'd think. And while they contain more protein and nutrients than red meat, I'm yet to see anything that shows it's actually cheaper on a per kilo scale.
 
This issue is very important to me, and I would like to hear others opinions. I think this is a very important issue that doesn't get the attention that it deserves.

The more we learn about the cognitive abilities of animals, their sense of fear and self-awareness, the more heinous is our actions which ignore those creatures and their suffering.
 
Farmers usually give animals access to all I have said, most of them, factory farms, where the majority of meat comes from, most of the animals are horribly bred, mutated, inbred.. It would honestly be more ethical to put them all down, and eliminating factory farming would actually increase the profit farmers would make.

And make the price of meat ridicules.

So why don't we just eat them and everyone is happy... except the cow of course.
 
Several questions:
1.)Can I kill my chicken/cow/etc? If so how? And how do I ensure its not cruel?
2.)Are zoos okay?
3.)Separating animals, does that mean I can have a dog or not? After all many dog (meaning my families, 14 year old lab) was separated from her mother at a very young age?
4.)I agree many factory farms are extremely ****ed up, and extremely disturbing, but is there actually a realistic solution to this?

Of course you can, just make sure it's done ethically, you can look into the methods yourself.
Zoos, unfortunately, in today's world, are a necessity, and many don't practice cruelty.
The difference is, in factory farms, they are separated to be slaughtered, etc..
The realistic solution? More enforcement and protection for animals.
 
Would it be cruel to kill a dog's unborn puppies?

Probably not. THe unborn puppies are not self-aware, and the dog itself probably has no idea that canine fetuses were inside it.
 
What are they going to do to you? :roll:

The only animal that I have had a problem with was a neighbor's (mistreated) large male dog - it escaped its chain and bit my dog through his pen fence. I captured the dog (it was not aggressive to me), tied it up and gave animal control a call - they took the dog after they observed its habitat, lack of tags and general poor health. Stray cows are generally not a problem if they stay off of the roadways - I can usually identify their source (by the ear tags) and have the phone numbers of the local ranchers which are generally quick to get them back into their pasture and repair the fencing.
 
Then we'll get the insect rights movement. :roll: Have you ever tried breeding insects, it's a lot harder than you'd think. And while they contain more protein and nutrients than red meat, I'm yet to see anything that shows it's actually cheaper on a per kilo scale.

In reference, I'd like you to know that breeding insects on an industrial scale is actually possible, if properly supported, the price would be adjusted accordingly. (I think?)
 
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