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Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

Your thoughts on the Patriot Act?


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Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
 
Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?



What does it matter truly?


Every government in existence with an economic budget above water is collecting all data on their nationals (and practically everybody else) anyways and has been for decades. They have everything and always will. I think it's something people have to just come to terms with and constantly chip away at legally because it's always going to be there. They're always going to have that legal authority with or without the Patriot Act. National Governments power is supra-natural. It doesn't truly have any regulation in respect to its intelligence services and never could or they'd be useless against intelligence services that have no such restrictions.
 
Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?

Let it expire.If there is good parts in it they do stand alone bills on those parts.
 
Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?

It never should have passed to begin with. The whole thing should be allowed to expire, not just parts of it. Actually scratch that...it should be immediately be repealed.
 
Let it expire.If there is good parts in it they do stand alone bills on those parts.
I agree, if some parts of it are necessary, let those be argued on their own merit.
 
I'd need to look into what parts are going to be expiring.

There are a number of provisions that had sunsets built into them from the onset that absolutely should be allowed to expire. The reality is the pendulumn of public desire has swung back more towards freedom than security as we've moved farther from the original threat, and as such the will just isn't there for the more extreme measures any longer. That's precisely the reason sunsets were included and and for the vast majority of them I'd absolutely support their expiration.

If it's a larger reauthorization of the entire bill, then I'd be against seeing it expire. Though I would hope politicians would use it as an oppertunity to remove some of the more troubling parts of it at the time of reauthorization, as opposed to simply reauthorizing it as a whole and then turning around to use it as a political issue again.
 
I agree, if some parts of it are necessary, let those be argued on their own merit.

Good morning, longview. :2wave:

Since it has recently been reported that ISIS is now in all 50 States, has no one been guarding the henhouse? Most of us are just trying to get on with our lives, not realizing that something fundamental has changed in this Country. If only a few States were involved, that would be bad enough, but all 50? That sounds like a coordinated plan according to someone's agenda. Things like that just don't happen accidently, IMO - the odds are against it, so who is deciding who goes where, so all states are involved?
Can we expect a series of simultaneous coordinated "attacks" at some point in the future, which would be a reason to declare martial law? I keep saying that we are not a third-world country, and we aren't, but it sure looks like some are trying to make it so! :2mad:

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive terror from within, for the traitor appears not to be a traitor. He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. The traitor infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." Marcus Tullius Cicero - born over 2000 years ago. Traitors have always been among us, it appears!
 
Good morning, longview. :2wave:

Since it has recently been reported that ISIS is now in all 50 States, has no one been guarding the henhouse? Most of us are just trying to get on with our lives, not realizing that something fundamental has changed in this Country. If only a few States were involved, that would be bad enough, but all 50? That sounds like a coordinated plan according to someone's agenda. Things like that just don't happen accidently, IMO - the odds are against it, so who is deciding who goes where, so all states are involved?
Can we expect a series of simultaneous coordinated "attacks" at some point in the future, which would be a reason to declare martial law? I keep saying that we are not a third-world country, and we aren't, but it sure looks like some are trying to make it so! :2mad:

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive terror from within, for the traitor appears not to be a traitor. He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. The traitor infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." Marcus Tullius Cicero - born over 2000 years ago. Traitors have always been among us, it appears!



While I don't doubt there is ISIS activity in the US, I suspect the boast had more to do with his upcoming budget hearings.

What level of ISIS activity?

Now the fact that the chief executive officer has not mentioned this is the worrisome part. Even allowing for low level activity like recruitment, the administration is silent, or to them 'not an issue"

And that's what needs answering. Is there a real threat to security? If so, with all the power of the Patriot Act, water boarding, Gitmo and renditioning why is it still there?
If you have cancer you kill it before it spreads.

I suspect to do so would be bad for the image of the peace prize president.


And Quoting Cicero is class, major class even if it is lost on the Grubers
 
Good morning, longview. :2wave:

Since it has recently been reported that ISIS is now in all 50 States, has no one been guarding the henhouse? Most of us are just trying to get on with our lives, not realizing that something fundamental has changed in this Country. If only a few States were involved, that would be bad enough, but all 50? That sounds like a coordinated plan according to someone's agenda. Things like that just don't happen accidently, IMO - the odds are against it, so who is deciding who goes where, so all states are involved?
Can we expect a series of simultaneous coordinated "attacks" at some point in the future, which would be a reason to declare martial law? I keep saying that we are not a third-world country, and we aren't, but it sure looks like some are trying to make it so! :2mad:

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive terror from within, for the traitor appears not to be a traitor. He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. The traitor infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." Marcus Tullius Cicero - born over 2000 years ago. Traitors have always been among us, it appears!
Our only saving grace, may be that big organizations have trouble both keeping secrets,
and being coordinated.
 
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