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Will you vote for Hillary as our next President? [W:302]

Will you vote for Hillary as our next President


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Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

If you are a Ron Paul fan, you will not like my comments on him. While as a mainstream conservative independent, I like some of what the libertarians preach, I consider Ron Paul to be a drooling nut job, at least in regards to foreign policy. I do like Rand Paul to a point. I sincerely hope that his father's influence on him is limited at least on foreign policy. As for dishonesty in the two main political parties.....the democrats get the "lying bastards" trophy hands up. Their dishonesty is legendary. Since you mentioned 2012, the hatchet job they did on Romney such as making up stories about him not paying taxes is just one example. In the 2014 midterms the democrats spent considerable effort pushing a phony claim that voter ID bills disenfranchise minority and senior citizen voters. The republican party dishonesty is just the establishment republicans voting in conservative platforms, sending out donation mailers claiming to be conservatives, and then and then governing as liberal-lite.

Do you like the foreign policy we have today? What is it that you don't like about Paul's foreign policy? Ron Paul argues that we shouldn't be concerned with "nation building" halfway across the globe when we have a nation here to build. That we shouldn't be giving a dime to "foreign aid" when we are broke, extremely in debt and in need of aid here domestically doesn't sound so crazy to me. Especially when "nation building" isn't really what is going on. Most people don't have a clue as to what is really going on because our news is censored and tailored so that we think only what they want us to think.

My father donated a good chunk to the repubs every year since the early 70's. After 2012, he was so disgusted, that he no longer supports the party. The dems are equally scandalous. We'll be getting more of the same regardless of which party ends up in the white house. It would be highly beneficial to americans and the world if both parties were rejected in 2016, and someone from ANY other party was elected. Are americans smart enough to let the media cram the 2 puppets down our throats, but then vote for someone else?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

If you are a Ron Paul fan, you will not like my comments on him. While as a mainstream conservative independent, I like some of what the libertarians preach, I consider Ron Paul to be a drooling nut job, at least in regards to foreign policy. I do like Rand Paul to a point. I sincerely hope that his father's influence on him is limited at least on foreign policy. As for dishonesty in the two main political parties.....the democrats get the "lying bastards" trophy hands up. Their dishonesty is legendary. Since you mentioned 2012, the hatchet job they did on Romney such as making up stories about him not paying taxes is just one example. In the 2014 midterms the democrats spent considerable effort pushing a phony claim that voter ID bills disenfranchise minority and senior citizen voters. The republican party dishonesty is just the establishment republicans voting in conservative platforms, sending out donation mailers claiming to be conservatives, and then and then governing as liberal-lite.

Voter ID laws DO disenfranchise people. Poor people, specifically, who are largely minorities and/or elderly.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Do you like the foreign policy we have today? What is it that you don't like about Paul's foreign policy? Ron Paul argues that we shouldn't be concerned with "nation building" halfway across the globe when we have a nation here to build. That we shouldn't be giving a dime to "foreign aid" when we are broke, extremely in debt and in need of aid here domestically doesn't sound so crazy to me. Especially when "nation building" isn't really what is going on. Most people don't have a clue as to what is really going on because our news is censored and tailored so that we think only what they want us to think.

My father donated a good chunk to the repubs every year since the early 70's. After 2012, he was so disgusted, that he no longer supports the party. The dems are equally scandalous. We'll be getting more of the same regardless of which party ends up in the white house. It would be highly beneficial to americans and the world if both parties were rejected in 2016, and someone from ANY other party was elected. Are americans smart enough to let the media cram the 2 puppets down our throats, but then vote for someone else?

I have see no indication of that being the case.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Of what being the case? Of americans being smart? Yeah, I don't either.
Yes.

Although I should say it's not necessarily a lack of smarts, so much as how many distractions are available.

Comforting distractions.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Do you like the foreign policy we have today?

No....I do not. I think having the present administration running foreign policy is about the same as having a kindergarten class running a construction company.

What is it that you don't like about Paul's foreign policy?

His isolationism for one...his incredibly insane rhetoric on foreign policy for another.

Ron Paul argues that we shouldn't be concerned with "nation building" halfway across the globe when we have a nation here to build.

I think nation building is a very exaggerated term. It's not what we are doing. When we defeated Germany and Japan in WW2 for instance, we did not build a new government for them, we merely made certain that the evil bastards who were running those governments did not reconstitute. In Germany's case, that would be the Nazis. Those nations formed their own new governments.


That we shouldn't be giving a dime to "foreign aid" when we are broke, extremely in debt and in need of aid here domestically doesn't sound so crazy to me. Especially when "nation building" isn't really what is going on. Most people don't have a clue as to what is really going on because our news is censored and tailored so that we think only what they want us to think.

The reality is that while we do need to be spending a lot less money on foreign aid, some of it is absolutely necessary unless we want to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Some of our important allies would not survive without it.

My father donated a good chunk to the repubs every year since the early 70's. After 2012, he was so disgusted, that he no longer supports the party. The dems are equally scandalous. We'll be getting more of the same regardless of which party ends up in the white house. It would be highly beneficial to americans and the world if both parties were rejected in 2016, and someone from ANY other party was elected. Are americans smart enough to let the media cram the 2 puppets down our throats, but then vote for someone else?

I have not donated a penny to the republican party in decades. I have donated to individual candidates who share my philosophy. I do not belong to a political party and the only reason I care at all whether or not republicans win is to keep morons like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid out of leadership power in congress. I don't think much of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell either, however they will do considerably less damage then Pelosi and Reid did.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Voter ID laws DO disenfranchise people. Poor people, specifically, who are largely minorities and/or elderly.

Simply not true....and deep down, I am quite sure that you know that.
 
I wonder if anyone is now regretting their vote...
 
I must admit I am surprised by the outcome of this poll. I am pleased though.
 
I won't. However, I am in a position where I feel comfortable not doing so. It is clear to me that Democrats are marginally better than Republicans (at least most of them, the Pauls for example are pretty equivalent to Democrats in terms of my own beliefs), but I don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil. However, I comforted by the fact that my vote is irrelevant and I won't be helping a Republican become president. I have lived in Illinois and New York, places where Democrats are always going to win. So if I vote for the Green party or not at all, it doesn't really matter. In an ideal world I could vote for Bernie Sanders, and he would have a legitimate chance of winning, but we don't live in an ideal world. So I vote for people knowing they can't win, comforted by the knowledge that my conscience won't put the greater of two evils into office.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

No....I do not. I think having the present administration running foreign policy is about the same as having a kindergarten class running a construction company.



His isolationism for one...his incredibly insane rhetoric on foreign policy for another.



I think nation building is a very exaggerated term. It's not what we are doing. When we defeated Germany and Japan in WW2 for instance, we did not build a new government for them, we merely made certain that the evil bastards who were running those governments did not reconstitute. In Germany's case, that would be the Nazis. Those nations formed their own new governments.




The reality is that while we do need to be spending a lot less money on foreign aid, some of it is absolutely necessary unless we want to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Some of our important allies would not survive without it.



I have not donated a penny to the republican party in decades. I have donated to individual candidates who share my philosophy. I do not belong to a political party and the only reason I care at all whether or not republicans win is to keep morons like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid out of leadership power in congress. I don't think much of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell either, however they will do considerably less damage then Pelosi and Reid did.


You aren't well acquainted with history are you? Nation building is not simply state building or forming a new government, it is about reconstructing a nation after it is devastated by war. In Germany the Marshall Plan was of extraordinary importance in rebuilding their nation. And while it is true that Germany formed their own government, it wasn't until 4 years after the end of the war. We spent 4 years at least partially governing Germany, in the beginning we were totally governing Germany. In Japan we spent 7 years (though unlike in Germany, there was never a point where there was no internal government working). We undoubtedly did nation building.

The problem with how things happened recently, is that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place, but if we did, we should have gone in with a clear post war nation building program in mind. Instead it was done by the most incompetent people possible and a competent invasion was followed by a spectacularly incompetent occupation and nation building program.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Simply not true....and deep down, I am quite sure that you know that.

What's important here are the roots of treachery in the action itself. It shows dishonor - something of which we have grown quite weary.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Nope. Warren or Sanders and if they don't run 3rd party again.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Wrong again. It is unquestionably true.

Yes....you are wrong again. There is nothing about Voter ID laws that disenfranchises anyone.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

You aren't well acquainted with history are you? Nation building is not simply state building or forming a new government, it is about reconstructing a nation after it is devastated by war. In Germany the Marshall Plan was of extraordinary importance in rebuilding their nation. And while it is true that Germany formed their own government, it wasn't until 4 years after the end of the war. We spent 4 years at least partially governing Germany, in the beginning we were totally governing Germany. In Japan we spent 7 years (though unlike in Germany, there was never a point where there was no internal government working). We undoubtedly did nation building.

The problem with how things happened recently, is that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place, but if we did, we should have gone in with a clear post war nation building program in mind. Instead it was done by the most incompetent people possible and a competent invasion was followed by a spectacularly incompetent occupation and nation building program.

While I don't agree with the suggestion that we should not have gone to war in the first place......I do agree that when we commit to war, we should finish the job. That includes leaving behind a stable and viable democracy, even it does not look just like ours. We should also help rebuild the infrastructure we necessarily destroyed in the war. The alternative to not doing the above in the aftermath of WW2 would have been the lead up to World War 3. Perhaps if the allies had done so in regards to Germany in the aftermath of World War 1, World War 2 could have been avoided. The masses in Germany may not have fallen for the insane man with the odd mustache.

We can agree or disagree whether or not the US should have become involved in more recent conflicts, however again the point is, that we should follow through as we did with WW2. We did not follow through in Vietnam. After that war ended by treaty, our congress cut off virtually all funding to the South Vietnamese, while the Soviets continued to fund the north Vietnamese communists. The North proceeded to overrun the south. And we did not leave troops behind to prevent it. Obama made the same mistake in regards to Iraq. We did leave troops behind in Korea. South Korea is still around and thriving.

Ron Paul's concept of isolationism is dangerous. American's attempting to isolate themselves from all international conflicts in the lead up to WW2 is one of the reasons it ended up getting so far out of hand. We could have become involved much earlier and helped bring it to a conclusion much earlier and with much less blood shed.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Voter ID laws DO disenfranchise people. Poor people, specifically, who are largely minorities and/or elderly.
To disenfranchise, or to disfranchise, is to DEPRIVE people of something - in this case the right to vote.

Voter ID laws - laws requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they cast their ballot disfranchise no one - DEPRIVE no one - save those who are not eligible to vote - which eligibility has nothing to do with voter ID laws in the first place, and ergo have nothing to do with this so-called disenfranchisement either.

Those who argue against requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they vote are, fundamentally, arguing to give the right to vote to anyone, citizen or not.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

To disenfranchise, or to disfranchise, is to DEPRIVE people of something - in this case the right to vote.

Voter ID laws - laws requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they cast their ballot disfranchise no one - DEPRIVE no one - save those who are not eligible to vote - which eligibility has nothing to do with voter ID laws in the first place, and ergo have nothing to do with this so-called disenfranchisement either.

Those who argue against requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they vote are, fundamentally, arguing to give the right to vote to anyone, citizen or not.

If we can get to this point, democrats won't have to vote multiple times registered under the names of dead and fictitious people. It's a real time saver.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

I don't know who I want to vote for yet. A lot will depend on the primaries and the debates for me. It would be cool to have the country's first female president but that doesn't mean that it has to be Hillary Clinton. I guess we will see.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

To disenfranchise, or to disfranchise, is to DEPRIVE people of something - in this case the right to vote.

Voter ID laws - laws requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they cast their ballot disfranchise no one - save those who are not eligible to vote - which eligibility has nothing to do with voter ID laws in the first place, and ergo have nothing to do with this so-called disenfranchisement either.

Those who argue against requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they vote are, fundamentally, arguing to give the right to vote to anyone, citizen or not.

The lack of ID (associating each individual with a single address) not only allows non-citizens to vote but allows ANYONE the ability to vote multiple times. It is not at all uncommon for folks to have utility bills, leases or tax receipts (think hunting, vacation or rental property) from multiple locations and it is extremely doubtful that district 21 in LA, checks its voter registrations with district 4 in TX. Since a SS card or passport bears no address, those forms of identity can be paired with multiple other documents containing the same name and different address permitting one person to easily register and vote in multiple districts.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

If we can get to this point, democrats won't have to vote multiple times registered under the names of dead and fictitious people. It's a real time saver.
That is fundamentally the issue driving the illegal immigration issue as well - the Democrat Party attempting to pad their voter roles with anyone and everyone they can.

I'm surprised they're not just handing pre-filled ballots to illegals as they cross the border.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

The lack of ID (associating each individual with a single address) not only allows non-citizens to vote but allows ANYONE the ability to vote multiple times. It is not at all uncommon for folks to have utility bills, leases or tax receipts (think hunting, vacation or rental property) from multiple locations and it is extremely doubtful that district 21 in LA, checks its voter registrations with district 4 in TX. Since a SS card or passport bears no address, those forms of identity can be paired with multiple other documents containing the same name and different address permitting one person to easily register and vote in multiple districts.
Ahyup.

Not only are they NOT disfranchised, but they are in fact FRANCHISED to these very things without rational controls in place to prevent them.
 
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