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That has to be the most ignorant retort you could have possibly posted. Seriously. WTF?
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That has to be the most ignorant retort you could have possibly posted. Seriously. WTF?
my questions stem from such threads about gays.:2wave:
No, it stems from your complete inability to understand the other side. An inability to make a distinction between discrimination and discretion. Your question comes from putting a higher value on equality of outcome and a lesser value on individual liberty.
Consider this: Our country was founded on the value of liberty, with equality hinging on conformity with society norms. Persuading others of your position via free expression is the equalizer. This is how liberty is maintained while allowing for differences in a diverse population. When government steps in and compels behavior some liberty is denied, resentment occurs and, societal division is inevitable.
When Liberty is the focus societal change happens slowly and equality for some comes slowly, but the population as a whole is united with common values that develop and progress over time. When equality of outcome takes the primary focus, change is quick but society breaks down, and the majority feels oppressed by a perceived tyrannical government who decides what the social values should be (as opposed to what they actually are).
In other words we prefer to use free expression and persuasion to develop social norms, and resent being classified as bigots for valuing liberty as the primary political value.
ok ,just answer please ,hetero athe or homo gay
and do you know where the liberty ends ?
By the former you mean those who are pushing for the right to discriminate against gays, and by the latter you mean those in opposition, right?
Oh boo hoo. The poor "oppressed Christian" meme is getting old.
... If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us....
I believe nothing wrong, I know what the reality of the law is.
Heard this asked elsewhere and thought it was an interesting question...
If you're gay, why would you even want to patronize a business who doesn't like you? To prove a point?
How would you know they didn't want your business until you were already invested in spending your time (possibly taking time off work) to give them your business?
:doh Really?
Whenever you find out. However you find out.
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Oh boo hoo. The poor "oppressed Christian" meme is getting old.
Sounds like normal life to me. Sometimes you come across something that rubs you the wrong way even after you've already invested some time.And again, then you have already invested your time to them. Especially since the majority of those refusing service are claiming to only refuse certain services. And most Christians or those of other faiths even do not refuse service to gays, even for their weddings. It is only a few.
When and if our nation, and its people, ever grow up .. this crap will be a thing of the past , and not a very nice past ..Growing up means , for one, putting "religion" where it belongs ...
Sounds like normal life to me. Sometimes you come across something that rubs you the wrong way even after you've already invested some time.
There is no "gay obsession". That is an artifact of media hype.
There is simply one side pushing their agenda, and another side that simply says "Sorry but our beliefs mean we cannot agree with that."
That, and the subsequent attempts by the former to beat the latter into submission with lawsuits.
Yeah, so?Except they aren't the ones that are doing anything wrong, and it is very possible that they might find a cake they like from someone who decides that they aren't good enough for their cakes because of who they are.
Yeah, so?
Seriously. Again, sounds like normal life. Sometimes people who did nothing wrong come across situations that make them uncomfortable.
There are laws in some states (at least) that protect people from that treatment.
Dont ask me why I am asking it because the gay obsession I have been seeing here is really covering up the real meaning of the belief in god as if the homosexuality is the only one sin comdemned .:mrgreen:
yes which one would you refuse to serve as a business owner? .which one is important to you if you think you are a true believer ? religion or which people believe in religion ?
I'd refuse to serve the one that doesn't have any money to pay for the goods or services I offer.
No. There are laws (in some states) that prevent people from acting in such a way. Said laws don't prevent them from being rude to people they don't like, which is what I'm referring to regarding treatment.
Why do you insist on this naive fantasy vision that nobody should ever have to make a hard choice and that life will always be warm-and-fuzzy?