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Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

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"The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
-Karl Marx.
 
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"The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
-Karl Marx.


So were some other really great people. And so was Aristotle.

In other words, just because someone was or is a racist doesn't mean that they aren't right in other areas. Heck, even Hitler was right about some things - like building the Autobahn, the precursor of our freeways.
 
WOW! We can go to town on this one. Here is the late great Abraham Lincoln

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
 
I still think we are making a mistake taking something said by whoever from history, and re-qualifying the statement in today's context with today's political and/or social understandings. It sets up an odd standard that many from history will not do well in. Learning from history is one thing, this seems to take that effort off course.
 
Here's a more recent example from Richard Nixon

Bill Rogers has got — to his credit it's a decent feeling — but somewhat sort of a blind spot on the black thing because he's been in New York," Nixon said. "He says well, ‘They are coming along, and that after all they are going to strengthen our country in the end because they are strong physically and some of them are smart.' So forth and so on.

"My own view is I think he's right if you're talking in terms of 500 years," he said. "I think it's wrong if you're talking in terms of 50 years. What has to happen is they have be, frankly, inbred. And, you just, that's the only thing that's going to do it, Rose."

Dang! It will take 500 years! :lamo
 
Honestly, given the era in which he lived, I would have simply assumed he was probably a racist. Almost everyone was.

Did I know? No. But no one with any concept of 19th century history should be surprised.
 
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"The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
-Karl Marx.

Where's the quote before that quote? "Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts." and the quote after, "But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? In Great Britain the working of that process is most transparent. The application of modern science to production clears the land of its inhabitants, but it concentrates people in manufacturing towns."

You're quote was cherry picked to lay false claim on Marx. In reality he believed the capitalist used race to divide the working class. Scary how absolutely correct he was on this belief: Marxist theory of Racism and
 
Honestly, given the era in which he lived, I would have simply assumed he was probably a racist. Almost everyone was.

Did I know? No. But no one with any concept of 19th century history should be surprised.

That claim isn't even true. It's also not true that Marx was a racist. Yes, I just defended Marx. D:
 
That claim isn't even true. It's also not true that Marx was a racist. Yes, I just defended Marx. D:

Guy, in the 19th century most people certainly were racist, if compared to our modern standards. One of the most famous poems of the time was "White Man's Burden". You should read it sometime.
 
As a matter of fact, Karl Marx had Jewish ancestors.
 
Honestly, given the era in which he lived, I would have simply assumed he was probably a racist. Almost everyone was.

Did I know? No. But no one with any concept of 19th century history should be surprised.



Exactly.


We have to judge historical figures according to the norms of their time, not our own.
 
Guy, in the 19th century most people certainly were racist, if compared to our modern standards. One of the most famous poems of the time was "White Man's Burden". You should read it sometime.

I have no idea what you mean by modern standards.
 
Since when is describing how the capitalist misuse such things as race to divide people a racist thought? I suppose since he was against all religious doctrine he was anti Semitic too:roll:
 
Since when is describing how the capitalist misuse such things as race to divide people a racist thought? I suppose since he was against all religion doctrine he was anti Semitic too:roll:

Karl Marx advocated wide scale genocide of peoples.. Not sure how you don't grasp that. Much of the racial genocide ideology of Marx was adopted by both Hitler and Stalin. Goebbels is quoted numerous times as saying that Nazism is basically Marxism and Goebbels himself was a Marxist initially.
 
If someone could prove that Edison was a racist would that make electricity a bad thing?

Any thoughts on that?

:lamo
 
In this quote he's talking about mass killing of said peoples he's describing..

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Please better educate yourself. Marx was not a racist. I left a link from an educational site that describes His beliefs about race, the working class and how the capitalist use race to divide the working class.

Here it is again: Marxist theory of Racism and
 
Santa Marx is still more famous than hitler
 
Please better educate yourself. Marx was not a racist. I left a link from an educational site that describes His beliefs about race, the working class and how the capitalist use race to divide the working class.

He it is again: Marxist theory of Racism and

No that's inaccurate. Your link is garbage spewed by some author besides Marx.

Both Marx and Engels were racists. Race was key to their ideology. It's one of the prime reasons Marxists such as Goebbels and other prominent Nazis as well as early Soviet ideologues took to Marxism so readily. You need to become more educated frankly. Goebbels was a Marxist as were many other Nazis.
 
If someone could prove that Edison was a racist would that make electricity a bad thing?

Any thoughts on that?

:lamo

Not a racist, just on the wrong side technologically.

And whether Marxist was a Racist or not, he was still more beard than brains.
 
No that's inaccurate. Your link is garbage spewed by some author besides Marx.

Both Marx and Engels were racists. Race was key to their ideology. It's one of the prime reasons Marxists such as Goebbels and other prominent Nazis as well as early Soviet ideologues took to Marxism so readily. You need to become more educated frankly. Goebbels was a Marxist as were many other Nazis.

Hmmmm, not according to this: Hitler had indeed cause to be grateful to his Propaganda Leader, who was the true creator and organizer of the Fuhrer myth, of the image of the Messiah-redeemer, feeding the theatrical element in the Nazi leader while at the same time inducing the self-surrender of the German masses through skilful stage management and manipulation. A cynic, devoid of genuine inner convictions, Goebbels found his mission in selling Hitler to the German public, in projecting himself as his most faithful shield-bearer and orchestrating a pseudo-religious cult of the Fuhrer as the saviour of Germany from Jews, profiteers and Marxists. Joseph Goebbels | Jewish Virtual Library
 
You're wrong again.

In 1925 he was made business manager of the NSDAP in the Ruhr district and at the end of the year was already the principal collaborator of Gregor Strasser, leader of the social-revolutionary North German wing of the Party. Goebbels founded and edited the Nationalsozialistischen Briefe (NS Letters) and other publications of the Strasser brothers, sharing their proletarian anti-capitalist outlook and call for a radical revaluation of all values. His National Bolshevik tendencies found expression in his evaluation of Soviet Russia (which he regarded as both nationalist and socialist) as "Germany's natural ally against the devilish temptations and corruption of the West."

It was at this time that Goebbels, who had co-authored the draft programme submitted by the Nazi Left at the Hanover Conference of 1926, called for the expulsion of "petty-bourgeois Adolf Hitler from the National Socialist Party." Goebbels's shrewd political instinct and his opportunism were demonstrated by his switch to Hitler's side in 1926, which was rewarded by his appointment in November of the same year as Nazi district leader for Berlin-Brandenburg.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html

From your own link.

Goebbels was a Marxist anti-Hitler ideologue before he joined Hitler. His views hail from Marx (as do Hitlers). Hitler simply had hostilities to Russia which caused the break from Marxism in name but hardly in practice. Both Hitler and Goebbels as well as the Soviets took their Socialist and racial ideology from Marxism and simply added their own twists yet their structural ideology was still very much Marxism and they early on are quoted heavily as admitting this fact.


Keep your shallow modernist leftist dribble out of history. Ugh it sickens me even to have to respond to your primordial.
 
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You're wrong again.

In 1925 he was made business manager of the NSDAP in the Ruhr district and at the end of the year was already the principal collaborator of Gregor Strasser, leader of the social-revolutionary North German wing of the Party. Goebbels founded and edited the Nationalsozialistischen Briefe (NS Letters) and other publications of the Strasser brothers, sharing their proletarian anti-capitalist outlook and call for a radical revaluation of all values. His National Bolshevik tendencies found expression in his evaluation of Soviet Russia (which he regarded as both nationalist and socialist) as "Germany's natural ally against the devilish temptations and corruption of the West."

It was at this time that Goebbels, who had co-authored the draft programme submitted by the Nazi Left at the Hanover Conference of 1926, called for the expulsion of "petty-bourgeois Adolf Hitler from the National Socialist Party." Goebbels's shrewd political instinct and his opportunism were demonstrated by his switch to Hitler's side in 1926, which was rewarded by his appointment in November of the same year as Nazi district leader for Berlin-Brandenburg.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html

From your own link.

Goebbels was a Marxist anti-Hitler ideologue before he joined Hitler. His views hail from Marx (as do Hitlers). Hitler simply had hostilities to Russia which caused the break from Marxism in name but hardly in practice. Both Hitler and Goebbels as well as the Soviets took their Socialist and racial ideology from Marxism and simply added their own twists yet their structural ideology was still very much Marxism and they early on are quoted heavily as admitting this fact.


Keep your shallow modernist leftist dribble out of history. Ugh it sickens me even to have to respond to your primordial.
Yeah sure. Hitler and Goebbels used Marxist theroy during their reign of terrorism. I see this is a complete waste of time.
 
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