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Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:150]

Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay People?

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molten_dragon said:
I'm okay with any business being allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, as long as that business doesn't provide an essential service.

If you're the only grocery store in a small town, then sorry, you don't get to refuse service to anyone. If you're the 47th pizza place in a 2 mile radius, then you can discriminate to your heart's content.
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Who gets the privilege of being the 47th pizza place?
 
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Montecresto said:
Religious exceptions to our discrimination laws! Let's keep you far from legislation.
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And since you want to require people to attend and participate in religious services of any and all religions as a condition of their employment let's keep you away from legislation.

Apparently forcing atheists to remain silent during silent prayers regardless of what the silent prayer is stated as being for is fine by you. Such as for God to save the nation from homosexuals.

Forced attendance, participation or even forced to not be critical of a religion as a condition of employment, avoidance of fines and possibly even prosecution IS the government forcing religion on people - which is what you want.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
Anyone private owner should be allowed to deny anyone for any reason.
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Not without breaking the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
 
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joko104 said:
And since you want to require people to attend and participate in religious services of any and all religions as a condition of their employment let's keep you away from legislation.

Apparently forcing atheists to remain silent during silent prayers regardless of what the silent prayer is stated as being for is fine by you. Such as for God to save the nation from homosexuals.

Forced attendance, participation or even forced to not be critical of a religion as a condition of employment, avoidance of fines and possibly even prosecution IS the government forcing religion on people - which is what you want.
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Providing pizzas for a wedding does not require attendance. Person orders, picks them up, and it's pretty much self serve.
 
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spud_meister said:
Absolutely. Businesses, like customers, should be able to discriminate for any reason they like (exceptions being for medical related goods/services, or if they have a local monopoly and there's no viable alternative).
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Who is that last person then? Who is that last business that can't deny a customer? If there are three businesses in an area that sell the same products/services, then they could easily all deny a person for different things (first doesn't like you race, second your religion, last your gender). Now your facing refusal from everyone for all reasons otherwise protected. Who do you hold accountable for that?
 
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X Factor said:
I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):







And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.
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Above quoted to catch your attention. Hey X Factor, can you bother to please answer the question I asked that you ducked? Here, let me quote it...

Redress said:
Why would the religion of the owner matter? Every time some one(and it has been a bunch the last week, every one thinks it is oh so clever to do this) makes a thread going "OMG, but what if it is Muslims", I ask that question, and no one can answer it.
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pbrauer said:
Not without breaking the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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Which is a problem I have with the civil rights act.
 
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roguenuke said:
Who is that last person then? Who is that last business that can't deny a customer? If there are three businesses in an area that sell the same products/services, then they could easily all deny a person for different things (first doesn't like you race, second your religion, last your gender). Now your facing refusal from everyone for all reasons otherwise protected. Who do you hold accountable for that?
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Any of them. Take it to court, judge forces one to accommodate you. Now, a black person sets up a business in rural Georgia, it's all white people, they're all racist. No-one shops at the store, black person loses everything. Why is this ok?
 
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spud_meister said:
Any of them. Take it to court, judge forces one to accommodate you. Now, a black person sets up a business in rural Georgia, it's all white people, they're all racist. No-one shops at the store, black person loses everything. Why is this ok?
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Because you can't force people to shop for something like that. Businesses, by their nature, have more power than individual customers. Customers can have power collectively, assuming the business is not the only one in the area of its type and the only place to get certain goods or services.

Not to mention the fact, that this would have been taken into account if he had gotten a business loan to open up that business. The chances of a bank giving him a loan for such a risky venture (a black restaurant owner in an all white area, where there is almost certainly, given your scenario, racism) and they wouldn't be willing to give him such a loan to begin with. So if he didn't get the money from a bank, he either had the money or borrowed it from a friend or family member, meaning that one or all of them were not very smart in their business decisions to begin with and should have did a whole lot more research.
 
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Liberals seem to be full of hypocrisy ...
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They'll always go against Christianity more than any other religion or group.
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Should any business owned by members of any religion or atheists be permitted to refuse service to anyone?

I say if you open a business you must serve everyone equally.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being the same rights that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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molten_dragon said:
All 47 of them.
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Must be nice to be a member of the majority in that type of situation.
 
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molten_dragon said:
I'm okay with any business being allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, as long as that business doesn't provide an essential service.

If you're the only grocery store in a small town, then sorry, you don't get to refuse service to anyone. If you're the 47th pizza place in a 2 mile radius, then you can discriminate to your heart's content.
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Lol, if the market can support forty seven pizza places in a two mile radius we might have a very serious obesity problem on our hands.
 
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Henrin said:
Lol, if the market can support forty seven pizza places in a two mile radius we might have a very serious obesity problem on our hands.
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Say hello to Pennsylvania. If you have six months to live and want to spend your last moments on earth gorging on pizza, that's the state for you.
 
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Hellz to the no.
 
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spud_meister said:
Any of them. Take it to court, judge forces one to accommodate you. Now, a black person sets up a business in rural Georgia, it's all white people, they're all racist. No-one shops at the store, black person loses everything. Why is this ok?
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How you gonna force someone to spend $? Although i'm all for it in this situation, as i don't have sympathy for bigots
 
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joko104 said:
And since you want to require people to attend and participate in religious services of any and all religions as a condition of their employment let's keep you away from legislation.

Apparently forcing atheists to remain silent during silent prayers regardless of what the silent prayer is stated as being for is fine by you. Such as for God to save the nation from homosexuals.

Forced attendance, participation or even forced to not be critical of a religion as a condition of employment, avoidance of fines and possibly even prosecution IS the government forcing religion on people - which is what you want.
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You said that you want religious people to be able to discriminate on the basis of "well established religious beliefs"! And that's not going to fly, sorry.
 
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shrubnose said:
Should any business owned by members of any religion or atheists be permitted to refuse service to anyone?

I say if you open a business you must serve everyone equally.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being the same rights that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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Unless doing so runs counter to "well established religious beliefs"! ;)
 
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Montecresto said:
Unless doing so runs counter to "well established religious beliefs"!
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If you're not ready to serve everyone who comes to your door, don't open up a business.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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shrubnose said:
If you're not ready to serve everyone who comes to your door, don't open up a business.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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We agree on that completely shrub, I was being facetious.
 
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roguenuke said:
They said they would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding. Which means if someone came up to the counter saying "I need 10 pizzas today, my son is getting married and the caterer his husband hired cancelled last minute", the pizzeria would refuse to sell them those pizzas just because they were going for a same sex wedding. They wouldn't even have to come to the wedding, but this is the scenario the girl said she would refuse.
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They said they wouldn't want to cater a gay wedding. they also said they wouldn't refuse service to anyone. what you are doing is speculating in contradiction to thier statement
 
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Cardinal said:
"Islam is pretty awful."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...rsi-ali-sam-harris-and-war-against-islam.html

Be grateful I got back to you before next week, considering my work load these days.
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lol, the best you can find is a thread attacking "neocons" with pash saying "all religions are pretty awful"?


Just one thread, man, not an equivalency argument about all religions, a thread, like the ones I quoted. C'mon man.


Amadeus did not start an anti-islam thread, not is he/she mocking the religion.
 
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Its NOONE's business as to the religion of either the land-lord or the tenant .. the business owner or the client. . People need to know when .. and how much .. to open their eyes and when to close them .. something to do with intelligence.. ..
 
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X Factor said:
Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
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No to the poll question and no to your second question.

The religion does NOT matter. Whether its my religion, Christianity or somebody elses illegal discrimination and or violating somebody's rights is not "OK'd" by a subjective religious excuse. I don't get special treatment based on my religion nor does anybody else.

On a side not I do agree with the "consistency check" I seriously doubt theres many, if any that change thier views based on the religion though. BUT if they did they would certainly have some explaining to do. The more interesting consistency check IMO and I have already seen people fail it, is the many that wouldnt accept religion as an acceptable reason to break the law and or infringe on rights and practice illegal discrimination against gender, race and religion but are perfectly fine with it against gays.
 
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