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Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:150]

Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay People?


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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Why would a Muslim business be held to a different standard than a Christian one? I don't understand the point of this poll.

To answer the poll directly: No, Muslims should not have legal protection to refuse service to gays.

It's because the liberal boogeymen that conservatives are so afraid of don't really care about protecting gay people, they only care about punishing Christians. Ergo, liberals will only impose rules on Christians and will always defend Muslims. That's why X-Factor and others think we're lying all the time. The liberal boogeymen don't have any real principles of their own, they only exist to be against whatever "real" Americans do. It's still the empty chair. Put whatever you hate into the chair and oppose that, instead of dealing with the actual people in front of you. The liberal boogeyman that hates Christians and loves Muslims and doesn't care about gays is what the OP is putting into the empty chair.
 
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So you would, I would assume, accept that someone like Paschendale, Redress, Roguenuke, Iguanaman, Arcana, SouthernDemocrat or myself would be liberals.

And you need just one thread. And it can take place on any topic related to being critical of Muslim faith. Anywhere. Any time. Period.

Yes?




at this point either put up a thread, or concede. :lol:
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

at this point either put up a thread, or concede. :lol:

Agree that those are the conditions and I will.
 
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Maybe i should make a poll, "Should the religious mcdonald's clerk be permitted to refuse service to the gluttonous?"

Oh right, the religious ignore all extremely common 'sins' except for homosexuality, i forgot
 
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They're not obligated to take on any advertising they don't want. They would, however, be discriminating if they refused to take gay passengers. If there's anything you should have learned from the past couple weeks it's that expressions are protected (I'm a little fuzzy on the terminology of that one, actually, but the gist of it is right). That's why I can't make you create a website for me that says "All Christians are the suckz."

All that being said, I think the Muslims who refused to use the signs are petty dickheads, but dickheads who are within their rights nonetheless (assuming no pre-existing contractual agreements with the airport, of course, which from the story there don't appear to be).
 
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They're not obligated to take on any advertising they don't want. They would, however, be discriminating if they refused to take gay passengers. If there's anything you should have learned from the past couple weeks it's that expressions are protected (I'm a little fuzzy on the terminology of that one, actually, but the gist of it is right). That's why I can't make you create a website for me that says "All Christians are the suckz."

All that being said, I think the Muslims who refused to use the signs are petty dickheads, but dickheads who are within their rights nonetheless (assuming no pre-existing contractual agreements with the airport, of course, which from the story there don't appear to be).


the pizza shop said they would not refuse service for anyone but would not want to take part by catering to a gay wedding, how is that different?



And no thread link yet? Me thinks you are simply strining me along. :lol:
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

the pizza shop said they would not refuse service for anyone but would not want to take part by catering to a gay wedding, how is that different?



And no thread link yet? Me thinks you are simply strining me along. :lol:

What, are you on a deadline or something? I'm working. I can slam out these short posts but research takes more concentration. In fact, I shouldn't even be on DP at all right now as I'm on a deadline.

If catering to weddings was a regular service the pizzeria offered then they would need to offer that same service to everyone.

Until later.
 
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the pizza shop said they would not refuse service for anyone but would not want to take part by catering to a gay wedding, how is that different?



And no thread link yet? Me thinks you are simply strining me along. :lol:

They said they would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding. Which means if someone came up to the counter saying "I need 10 pizzas today, my son is getting married and the caterer his husband hired cancelled last minute", the pizzeria would refuse to sell them those pizzas just because they were going for a same sex wedding. They wouldn't even have to come to the wedding, but this is the scenario the girl said she would refuse.
 
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They said they would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding. Which means if someone came up to the counter saying "I need 10 pizzas today, my son is getting married and the caterer his husband hired cancelled last minute", the pizzeria would refuse to sell them those pizzas just because they were going for a same sex wedding. They wouldn't even have to come to the wedding, but this is the scenario the girl said she would refuse.

If the reporter asked her if she would refuse to cater a straight wedding the only factual answer should could provide is yes since she doesn't cater weddings.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

No, not refuse service to gay people. But they should be able to refuse services for gay weddings or other events that violate their beliefs.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

Legally? I guess it depends on the state. However, since they have been shown to refuse to do so, have they been given a pass, I would suppose because of their religion? Most certainly yes.

Muslims are not in the cross hairs of people with an agenda. They have nothing to fear.
 
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The question is poorly worded. No public business should be able to discriminate against anyone. Should they be forced to produce pro or anti Jew, gay, black or catholic products, no. Should they sell their normal offerings to everyone, yes.
 
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If the reporter asked her if she would refuse to cater a straight wedding the only factual answer should could provide is yes since she doesn't cater weddings.

Except that isn't what she answered, she didn't say "cater", or any derivative of that word. She said provide pizzas for a gay wedding, even describing the person coming up to the counter asking them for the pizzas.

Do you think she was referring to catering, as in taking the pizza to the event and serving it, something the pizza place had never did in the past for any wedding, or simply selling the pizzas to the people to use at the "gay" wedding?
 
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I do not see it as a yes-no question. No generally UNLESS it was for something directly about religion - such as a gay wedding, wanting a male barber to cut a woman's hair, and other religious matters that are well established.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Legally? I guess it depends on the state. However, since they have been shown to refuse to do so, have they been given a pass, I would suppose because of their religion? Most certainly yes.

Muslims are not in the cross hairs of people with an agenda. They have nothing to fear.

Are you kidding? People are terrified every Muslim they see is at the airport, train station, on the bus, etc., to blow the damned place up! Every time a synagog is egged, cops head for the nearest mosque, which may have already been painted with pig blood. Hell, it wasn't that many years ago that good, god-fearing folk were threatening to blow up a mosque that was supposedly too close to the 9/11 site.

And you say Muslims aren't in the cross hairs and have nothing to fear? Really?

*mind officially boggled*
 
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Absolutely. Businesses, like customers, should be able to discriminate for any reason they like (exceptions being for medical related goods/services, or if they have a local monopoly and there's no viable alternative).
 
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Anyone private owner should be allowed to deny anyone for any reason.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.

Nonetheless, in spite of any potential shennanigans I voted in good faith.

I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):

Funny but I guess the difference would be the nature of the cake itself. All (or most) bakeries will do a wedding cake, and a "gay" wedding cake could well be indistinguishable from any other wedding cake. Can you require a specifically themed cake that a bakery has never done before? Could someone insist on an erotic cake from a business that specializes in children's birthday cakes? I don't know.

If someone wanted to order a cake depicting a mockery of Jesus from a Christian owned bakery as their wedding cake, it would be interesting if people would support requiring the bakery to do it.

I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.

Huh, so when couples order a wedding cake, they need designate whether it's a gay or straight wedding cake? How about if a gay couple is ok with serving a straight cake?

And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

I'm okay with any business being allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, as long as that business doesn't provide an essential service.

If you're the only grocery store in a small town, then sorry, you don't get to refuse service to anyone. If you're the 47th pizza place in a 2 mile radius, then you can discriminate to your heart's content.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I do not see it as a yes-no question. No generally UNLESS it was for something directly about religion - such as a gay wedding, wanting a male barber to cut a woman's hair, and other religious matters that are well established.

Religious exceptions to our discrimination laws! Let's keep you far from legislation.
 
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I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):

And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.

Well I clearly owe you an apology for mixing your positions up with others.'
 
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