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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Goshin said:
Ok. Well I'm ok with that I suppose.... except I'd include a caveat that they must reveal their gender reassignment prior to intimacy with anyone. It's the honest and forthright thing to do.
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Hmmm. That's interesting. I had not thought about that. So do you think that they should be sued if they did not?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
And yes, I know that not everyone can afford a sex change operation. That is why I would support government help in getting that operation for free.
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I would have to very strongly object to my taxes being used to pay for something that is that blatantly insane and immoral.

Government should not be used to support that which is overtly evil and destructive.

I have to seriously question the ethics of any physician who would willingly take part in such madness, but at the very least, anyone who wants such treatment needs to pay for it out of his own pocket, and not impose that cost on others.


Kal'Stang said:
I honestly don't care about the expense.
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It's easy not to care about an expense that you can force others to pay instead of taking responsibility for it yourself.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I would have to very strongly object to my taxes being used to pay for something that is that blatantly insane and immoral.

Government should not be used to support that which is overtly evil and destructive.

I have to seriously question the ethics of any physician who would willingly take part in such madness, but at the very least, anyone who wants such treatment needs to pay for it out of his own pocket, and not impose that cost on others.
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Government should not be used to support that which is overtly evil and destructive.
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I always wonder why people stereotype most conservatives/republicans for having similar views and being bigots, they don't appear to be wrong.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I honestly don't care about the expense.
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Unless they can get the price down I do. I think the government should give me that kind of money to develop my business before they should spend it on someone for a sex change. But that's just me. Maybe it is somewhat selfish though.
 
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Dovkan said:
I always wonder why people stereotype most conservatives/republicans for having similar views and being bigots, they don't appear to be wrong.
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Liberals characterize common sense and common decency as “bigotry”. By that definition, I will proudly accept the label.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I would have to very strongly object to my taxes being used to pay for something that is that blatantly insane and immoral.

Government should not be used to support that which is overtly evil and destructive.

I have to seriously question the ethics of any physician who would willingly take part in such madness, but at the very least, anyone who wants such treatment needs to pay for it out of his own pocket, and not impose that cost on others.
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Immoral to you. Don't care. Everyone has a right to live their life how they choose to live it so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's Rights. And Transgenderism certainly does not do that.

As for the government paying for it...well...I say that they should pay for it, you say the opposite. Guess we cancel each other out and as such should let a neutral 3rd party decide huh? Only neutral 3rd party that can do that is the government. ;)
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Liberals characterize common sense and common decency as “bigotry”. By that definition, I will proudly accept the label.
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We can be Godless and free
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- This tells me all I need to know, good day. You're a christian? One of the ones that doesn't listen to Jesus, obviously.
As Jesus was starting out on his way to Jerusalem, a man came running up to him, knelt down, and asked, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’[a]”

20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”
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Bob Blaylock said:
One who has XY chromosomes and was born with “boy parts” is male.
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An XY male. AKA Brae Carnes, a transwoman.

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Bob Blaylock said:
One who has XX chromosomes and was born with “girl parts” is female.
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An XX female. AKA Buck Angel, a transman.

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MildSteel said:
Hmmm. That's interesting. I had not thought about that. So do you think that they should be sued if they did not?
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I'd think that should be up to the person whom they failed to inform of their status prior to sexual intimacy. If the person feels they have been deceived and suffered emotional trauma as a result, I think they should have the right to sue.

If they're ok with it, well obviously they won't be filing suit.


While I realize this would put a burden on transgenders to have this legally stipulated, frankly I think it is only fair. There are lots of people who, regardless of their feelings about the transgendered IN GENERAL would nonetheless be appalled to find out they'd had sex with one without knowing it beforehand.


I don't know if this is true or not, but I'm told that an observant man will probably realize that "something is different" somewhere along the way, (I hear lingering scar tissue can be a problem in some cases), so if it is going to be revealed at some point anyway, it seems much better and more fair to all concerned to reveal it BEFORE intimacy takes place.

In some cases, it might even be important to the transgendered person's safety. I think there are still quite a few people who might react very badly to finding out "after".

In any case, it is only fair and reasonable and honest to be forthright about such things. I'd put almost (I said almost) it on par with revealing whether one has any STDs... it should be known beforehand so the partner can make a fully informed judgement about whether he/she wants to deal with the other person's situation.
 
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MildSteel said:
Well, what do you think?
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Yes of course they should. The only exceptions should be in certain sporting events at the elite level, particularly endurance sports where they might have a physical unfair advantage. Other than that rare case, they should be treated like women under the law.
 
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MildSteel said:
You say that based on what?
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The fact that taking hormones and getting surgery does not change your sex. :shrug: You are aware that transwomen and women are not the same, right?
 
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brothern said:
An XX female. AKA Buck Angel, a transman.

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That one is a perfect example of what testosterone injections coupled with weight training can do in terms of protein synthesis.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Liberals characterize common sense and common decency as “bigotry”. By that definition, I will proudly accept the label.
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Why do you care? What difference does it possibly make in your life or your family's life for a transgendered person to be legally treated as the sex they transitioned to?
 
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Henrin said:
The fact that taking hormones and getting surgery does not change your sex. :shrug: You are aware that transwomen and women are not same, right?
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So what do you think defines a person's sex?
 
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Henrin said:
Genetic diseases are not like transgenderism. Nice try though.
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LOL ... both of those people are transgender people.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Why do you care? What difference does it possibly make in your life or your family's life for a transgendered person to be legally treated as the sex they transitioned to?
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Because it gives off the impression they are women when they are not. Being factually correct is important in these kind of matters.
 
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brothern said:
LOL ... both of those people are transgender people.
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An XX man or an XY women are not trangenders. XX men and XY women are people that suffer from a genetic disease. Your improper classification was ignored for a reason.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Immoral to you. Don't care. Everyone has a right to live their life how they choose to live it so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's Rights. And Transgenderism certainly does not do that.
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Forcing other people to bear the expense of their immoral behavior is interfering with the rights of others.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No, they are not biological women and never will be. I can understand some kind of third status, but recognizing them and legally treating them as biological women shouldn't happen because they aren't. Many things that apply to real women like reproductive health, motherhood, military draft requirements and other such things don't merit special status for a transwoman.

Also, I don't think the government should be under any compulsion to give into their own desired gender status.

I'm okay with them designating themselves as female on licenses, government forms and whatnot (same for transmen), but other issues like pregnancy health insurance coverage, draft issues and other such things need to be different.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
All the madness and lies notwithstanding, it's a matter of simple mammalian biology.

One who has XY chromosomes and was born with “boy parts” is male.

One who has XX chromosomes and was born with “girl parts” is female.

“Transgenderism” is nothing more than insanity backed up by Political Correctness.
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XY and XX is simplified genome for those that are not experts in genetics. IE: what determines whether someone is born male or female is far more complex. It is that complexity which can actually allow for a person to feel as a transgender does. In other words Instead of XY its more like XYXYXXY. (still simplified but still more accurate than the simple XY). So even if one part of the development can make the body male the other part of the development can make the mental part female. And visa versa. This is not a mental problem and certainly not a moral problem. It is simply a difference in genetics. Just like genetics can determine someone's eye color or skin color. Genetics can also affect a body and how a person feels.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Immoral to you. Don't care. Everyone has a right to live their life how they choose to live it so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's Rights. And Transgenderism certainly does not do that.
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Sure. Explain to me how, however, that therefore in order to fully enjoy living my dream I have the right to your stuff is a defensible position?

As for the government paying for it...well...I say that they should pay for it, you say the opposite. Guess we cancel each other out and as such should let a neutral 3rd party decide huh? Only neutral 3rd party that can do that is the government. ;)
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Feel free to point out "paying for anyone's sex change operation" among the few and defined powers of Congress
 
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I don't know...whichever they want.
 
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Henrin said:
An XX man or an XY women are not trangenders. XX men and XY women are people that suffer from a genetic disease. Your improper classification was ignored for a reason.
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Ha. This is funny. You actually don't believe me.

Buck Angel is a transman. He was born a she. His DNA would show that he's an XX woman. Look at Buck Angel's lower left pectoral. You can see the scar where he had his top surgery done (a mastectomy). He's quite renowned in the trans-community, because he's a adult films producer.

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Brae Carnes is a transwoman. She was born a he. Her DNA would show that she's an XY man. Her transition video is here.

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