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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom means that the one who believes they are female/male when they are not cannot force that belief or force others to take actions based on that person's identity. They have the freedom to believe and chose, and others have the freedom to not support or accept that choice or allow that person's views on gender identity impact their own or what they do with those views.
    How odd it seems that we even have to have this conversation.

    Sure, you can construe freedom to mean that someone who is male can claim to be female, or vice versa. It seems that some stretch this point to mean that freedom somehow means that you can be the opposite of your actual sex, if you so identify, but now we're veering off into a wrong-wing Twilight Zone, where such a twisted version of “freedom” is held to trump provable truth—that somehow one can achieve “freedom” from the hard, immutable rules of science and biology. Somewhere not much deeper into this wrong-wing Twilight Zone, will be those who believe that they can step off of a cliff and just hang there in the air, because they demand “freedom” from the law of gravity.

    If we will not acknowledge that those who claim “freedom” from obvious science, biology, and physics, are delusionally insane, and in need of psychiatric treatment; then surely we must still acknowledge that sane people are not under any obligation to recognize these delusions as truth, to play along with them, or least of all, to grant legal or social privileges based on them. Women, for example, are not under any obligation to tolerate the intrusion of a man into their restrooms or dressing facilities, jsut because this man “identifies” as female, even if he has had himself surgically-mutilated to conform to this delusion.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom means that the one who believes they are female/male when they are not cannot force that belief or force others to take actions based on that person's identity. They have the freedom to believe and chose, and others have the freedom to not support or accept that choice or allow that person's views on gender identity impact their own or what they do with those views.
    Identity is not dependent on a third party, identity is inate and relies on the persons own ideaological notion of how they percieve themselves. Take your discussion on how you see people, you could choose to see men as women and deny them a pay claim, which is ludicrous I know but it leaves the person open to discrimination and victimisation. Freedoms in America let you disagree with a particular viewpoint but it does not give license to treat a person as any different. A person of conscience may say their holy book lets them believe that some bloke told them 2000 years ago that being gay was bad, fine we'll accept that belief but it does not mean that you can hold people in less esteem than your peers in society.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom means that the one who believes they are female/male when they are not cannot force that belief or force others to take actions based on that person's identity. They have the freedom to believe and chose, and others have the freedom to not support or accept that choice or allow that person's views on gender identity impact their own or what they do with those views.
    So a woman identifies as female, men do not have to accept that they are peers and give them less pay?

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sionnach Cliste View Post
    That is the beauty of the free world, letting people lead their lives as they see fit and disagreeing with them but it also involves extending the same protection to them
    Sure. No one has the right to physically attack you over this. But they have the right to have their own opinions, and act accordingly. If Steve wants to call himself Cathy he's welcome to, but neither Andrew nor Cindy are required to support it.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure. No one has the right to physically attack you over this. But they have the right to have their own opinions, and act accordingly. If Steve wants to call himself Cathy he's welcome to, but neither Andrew nor Cindy are required to support it.
    OK so we have some common ground, does that mean they are entitled to treat him less favourably?

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sionnach Cliste View Post
    OK so we have some common ground, does that mean they are entitled to treat him less favourably?
    sure. And he is free to do the same.*


    *Again, as long as neither is acting in a governing capacity. Justice should be blind.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure. And he is free to do the same.*


    *Again, as long as neither is acting in a governing capacity. Justice should be blind.
    That is where we differ. America holds everyone to be free but only in certain circumstances?

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sionnach Cliste View Post
    That is where we differ. America holds everyone to be free but only in certain circumstances?
    :raises eyebrow: quite the contrary - you are the one arguing for limiting people's liberty. If someone treats me mean, then that is not limiting my freedom, it is them using theirs. If I ban them from treating me unfairly, then I am reducing their liberty, stating that in certain circumstances (ie: If I don't like it) then they are not free.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Don't be a melodramatic and Politically Correct doofus.

    If I don't agree with your opinion I am a rigid grump. Negative.
    If I do agree with your opinion then I am an empathetic gentleman. Positive.

    See how easy it is to identify Political Correctness now?
    You're confusing correlation with causation. If you don't agree with me that black people should not be enslaved, you're not rigid because you disagree with me; you're rigid because you're rigid, and vise versa.

    Conventional simplified standards are all that is required to understand the biology of male/female.

    female
    : of or relating to the sex that can produce young or lay eggs
    Key words: "relating to"
    : characteristic of girls or women
    Which are subjective
    : having members who are all girls or women
    See above

    Female | Definition of female by Merriam-Webster

    [I]sex
    : the state of being male or female
    The two of which are defined as?

    Accepting the facts does not make me unempathetic. It simply makes me honest. Actually, I would argue that I am extremely empathetic to their feelings. Some people do not like things about themselves but being untruthful about it does not equate being empathetic by any stretch of the imagination. I do not talk this way to people and if you think that debating an issue at a debate site is like talking to people on the street then you have problems. We are debating an issue and the issue is not "being empathetic" but rather "is a man that thinks he is a woman actually a woman or a man". Stay on point...
    We actually both are fully accepting the facts. The difference is interpretation - one of us is interpreting it in a way that solidifies our preconceived notions of sex and gender while actively hurting people in doing so, and the other is allowing their preconceived notions to be challenged in the absence of evidence outside of biology.

    When does that happen? Right, it doesn't.
    I'm not much of a sports fan, so I wouldn't know. I imagine it doesn't happen because of regulations, though, which would in turn be regulating trans and non-trans people. Thus there is no issue here. If you acknowledge that some women are stronger than some men and vice versa, you simultaneously acknowledge that fairness should be judged case-by-case, not generalization-by-generalization. That trans person in question should not have faced the respective opponent NOT because they were trans - but because they were way stronger.

    I am not attempting to be cruel to people and this is just more evidence of Political Correctness confusing the minds of the intellectual meek... that said, I countered your point logically and you just shot yourself in the foot unless you can share the knowledge base you have that's beyond philosophical supposition in your attempt to be rude to those that disagree with you.
    I don't know where you get philosophical supposition from regarding my arguments. That comes entirely from anti-trans individuals.

    That is the real comedy... you feel free to insult people calling them names when they simply disagree with you confirming that you are really the unempathetic and rude person, not me.
    You're allowed to hurt trans people who already live dreadful lives (mainly because of mentalities like yours), yet when I call you out on that, you're the victim - not only the victim but the victim of a made up "PC" phenomenon.

    That is complete and utter crap and if you don't know it you are a part of the problem.
    What problem? The problem of not being able to be an ass without social consequence? Because that's always been true essentially. You people don't want a lack of censorship; you want a lack of responsibility.

    Retarded became Politically Incorrect and was replaced by Mentally Handicapped only to be replaced with Mentally Challenged only to be replaced with Special, or whatever it is now and why? Because people started referring negatively to people they didn't like as Retarded... when the new PC Term came into effect the same jerks started using the new term and that cycle will never end. Well, retarded means what it always meant and referring to a slow person as retarded, although accurate, has now become "cruel" and meets claims like yours, "I just want to be an asshole but you guys keep changing the terms and wont let me so I will attack you by making up a term: Political Correctness."
    This is such a gigantic problem. I truly feel sorry for sophists who have to deal with slightly changing definitions that are trying to accommodate the feelings of feeling-oriented individuals known as "people." I'm so sorry you have to deal with this problem.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is some funny and seriously contradicting garbage there... "You don't know what gender is but nobody does so I am right"!!
    Actually we have an evidence base that dismantles your entire idea of gender and reinforces the theories that were formed FROM that evidence.

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