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Thread: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, what do you think?
    So you want the law to keep discriminating based on sex for this to even be a question.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    What could it possibly matter to anyone else? What does legally treated as a woman even mean?
    They get prefrence in divorce.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How offensive! Telling "her" to grow a pair when she just had them cut off... you are not empathetic.
    Haha. My bad. I forgot that they don't grow back.
    Disclaimer: If you are offended by the above post, and you aren't a SJW or truther, grow a pair.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    There should be Men, women, surgical men, surgical women. Having those designations doesnt in any way cause harm it just states the facts.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They can't figure it out. Again, I suspect the reason for this is because their conclusion is wrong.

    Regardless, the theory basically says that there was not enough testosterone present at the time of development leaving the brain as female, which means that the individual is in fact male, but they are suffering from a developmental issue.

    The fact that you associate a developmental problem with them actually being female is just stupid.
    The brain is female due to a developmental issue, and thus they are female. Your claim that they are male does not follow. They should have been male, but developed differently. You are asserting that some aspects of maleness are objectively more male than others, which is ridiculous.

    The fact that you associate a developmental problem with them actually being male is just illogical.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure. They are, however, roles built upon a biological basis. Try as they might, no man is going to get pregnant.

    The point simply is that the leap between ethnicity is a switch between something much more ethereal, and much less based in basic biological differentiation. If a man can become a woman, that is a much bigger shift than a white person becoming a black person, or a native American becoming a Somali.
    The ability to get pregnant has nothing to do with gender roles.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    She is not a "girl"...



    So you are saying that being critical of a man fighting in a woman's sport is not being empathetic to that individual as a person?



    Wrong... it is not a fear mongering agenda. It is about being honest.



    At least you aren't calling those that you disagree with bigots...
    She is a girl by the most modern definition.

    New information breeds new policies - maybe fights should be regulated in terms of weight, muscle mass, etc. Solutions change as the problems do. The fact that this has come up supports my claim. There are a few common sense solutions to one exceedingly strong woman facing much weaker ones. It's not a noteworthy topic but the transphobes want it to be. This wouldn't be an issue were it a non-trans man facing much much weaker other non-trans men.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Evidence? He is a man.

    Professional consensus? Is best guess... nobody is a "professional" when it comes to this subject.



    Facts? The FACT is that a male is born a male and a male is a man and a man can NOT be a woman. That is the only fact that is relevant.



    This is an argument about people that are potentially delusional so that actually makes a lot of sense...



    Everyone but you equates to a delusional thought process...
    It's not really a guess but more of an educated hypothesis with a knowledge base to support it - much more than the opposing position has.

    The fact is that male is simply an adjective to describe a preconceived notion of sex that is inwardly and outwardly expressed, which is not black and white always.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    OMG! I wish I had read this post first... political correctness not a real thing? What a load of horse ****.
    PC is a phrase used to dismiss critiques that are subjectively deemed unimportant. It's a tool that's used to dismiss a standard series of logical procedures without presenting an argument or counter argument. There is no such thing. It cannot be defined and articulately argued. It's effectively a deflective buzzword.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    Would you rather I just used HE then?
    No, I'd rather you be respectful and decent but I can't force that. That's up to you and your dignity.

    What are you even talking about? This thread has a lot of discussion about MTF trans people competing in women's sporting events. Of course the SJW stance is that hormone therapy is all that really matters, or that women are just as strong/fast/good as men at sports, or that it shouldn't matter anyway. The news story I posted is a perfect example of why that is simply NOT true, and it's a current event that just happened. It is very relevant to the discussion here.

    Nice one though for once again making it all about "muh feels".
    No one thinks that women are generally as strong, but the attempt to frame this as binary as you are is ridiculous. There are women stronger than men, men stronger than women, women WAY stronger than other women, and men WAY stronger than other men. The common sense solution is to regulate people by their individual physicality, but you want to make this into a gender issue and gaze at the spectacle while shouting out logical fallacies left and right. It's more so "muh humanity" or "muh human decency."

    So in other words, you came into a thread titled "Should Transwomen Be Legally Treated As Women", where a lot of discussion was about sporting events and how to deal with that, and jumped all over somebody using quotation marks around "she" because he posted a news article about a MTF beating the absolute piss out of a woman in a MMA fight. You're just defending the poor oppressed helpless ones from your position of infinite privilege though and don't have any personal feelings about it. I see.
    I thought we'd be talking about pertinent issues, not sports lmfao. I didn't really think the obvious solution to someone totally outmatching someone else was relevant to a trans legality thread just because one of the members was trans.

    Such a NON-HUMAN THING? Good lord. Yeah, saying "she" instead of she is so non-human. Gosh. How ever will I be able to sleep tonight knowing I am so awful?
    Yes, now roll your eyes and moving along with your life where you're constantly recognized as you are and don't have to feel a growing dread day by day, hoping you don't come into contact with a member of the Logic League of White Males telling you what you are because they know what a penis is and no one else does. It's curious how quickly those who these issues don't affect dismiss the issues and feelings of others pertaining to them. It's almost as if they lack the ability to empathize, a basic human quality.

    A news article popped up in my feed, it was related to this thread, so I posted it. It's not fear mongering, it's evidence that MTF should not be competing in sporting events against women. WTF mate?
    The article is irrelevant to the thread. Sports need fairness regulations, fighting included. One woman vastly overpowered the other, and this happens with non-trans women too. The fact that is was brought up simply because a trans woman was part of the story is fearmongering.

    Hey, you're right again. They are in need of a soap box to push their perpetually offended BS agendas.
    People who tout these "perpetually offended" victim complex theories generally don't have much to actually complain about in society. Projection much? Just because you aren't oppressed doesn't mean other people don't genuinely hurt because of it. The perspective argued from is quite obvious.

    Yeah, so noble arguing for their RIGHTS to get into a ring with actual women and beat the living crap out of them. They are definitely SO OPPRESSED without that.
    It's okay if a "real" woman completely overpowers and beats the living crap out of another, though. Yup!

    Again, putting quotation marks on "she" is not the end of the world. If that causes someone "severe distress", I'd refer them to the last 3 words in my sig.
    Yes, we know it's not a big deal to you. For others who have to face that perception and failure to respect another every single day sometimes, it isn't. The fact that you are mocking another's distress, and belittling it, is tiresome. Sociopaths and logical narcissists are only edgy and cool to argue with for so long. I find them tiresome to physically be with as well. Generally empathetic and warm people are good to be around, but this will be dismissed as "muh feels" or some attempt to be edgy using devisive internet slang with no actual substance.

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