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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The biological facts are rigid, and it is those who argue against them who are being illogical. Black is black, white is white, male is male, and female is female. That's how it is. This isn't any “staunch philosophy of some who interpret the accepted biological facts”; these are the very facts themselves against which you are arguing. You are arguing against what is clearly, obviously, objectively, the hard, absolute truth. Yours is a “staunch philosophy” that is based in it's entirety on denying obvious truth, and trying to replace it with madness and lies.
    Black is indeed black, but gender and sex are complex. I know you'd like to believe otherwise for a multitude of fallacious reasons, but the evidence and scientific consensus do not agree with you.

    A person who is born with a penis likely is XY, probably has "male" described hormones, etc. etc. No one is debating that. There are no lies. We are debating definitions here. "Male" describes masculinity. You are assuming that certain male qualities outweigh others in that defining process. Biological facts are rigid, but the way we describe them and interpret them are not, inherently.

    For example, the physical structure in the brain that determines gender - that could be male. It is also by definition not delusional - because it is accurately describing itself. So why isn't that person male if they have other female described traits? Your philosophy that determines what is most important is what does. And of course this is just a fun concept for you to debate against without having to deal with actual excruciating consequences - like those this debate actually affects.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    Conventionally, yes they can. In accordance with reality, however, almost everything you think you know is extremely nuanced in actuality. Generally, 5-year-olds don't get taught the nuances, and that's because they largely would not understand them.

    As I predicted, you ignored the fact that you ignore facts. Ignorance seems to be a comfort zone for debaters of your style.

    "That's ridiculous...

    ...because I've always understood it to be this way...

    ...because most of everyone has always understood it to be this way...

    ...because this makes everything so much less simple...

    ...because it seems like common sense otherwise..."

    These are all logical fallacies, Henrin and Bob. Let's instead look at the research, the professional consensus, and be empathetic humans while doing so. I don't know why those things - especially in tandem - seem to be met with such resistance from the right.
    What research are you referring to?

    And everyone knows basic biology. No one has any qualms with it nor are they disputing it. They are disputing the staunch philosophy of some who interpret the accepted biological facts in a manner that is rigid and illogical.
    How is recognizing that they are not women illogical? Is it because they look like women?

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    To deny what is obviously true, in the face of overwhelming proof that it is true, and in the complete absence of any logical evidence to support that denial, is prima facie proof that one is delusionally insane.

    If you choose to argue that male is female, that female is male, then you cannot evade what this clearly tells us about your mental health.

    Those, such as yourself, who cannnot grasp the difference between male and female are and will always be a tiny, insignificant minority.
    You have no evidence to support your claims, and you are not a professional to diagnose delusions. Overstepping your bounds as usual.

    I can differentiate a penis and a vagina, I can differentiate someone who has predominantly testosterone/estrogen, etc. You just don't like that new information and research has brought complexity to what was once deemed a simple subject. This claim is supported by your lack of evidence in the face of tons of evidence on the contrary.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    Black is indeed black, but gender and sex are complex. I know you'd like to believe otherwise for a multitude of fallacious reasons, but the evidence and scientific consensus do not agree with you.

    A person who is born with a penis likely is XY, probably has "male" described hormones, etc. etc. No one is debating that. There are no lies. We are debating definitions here. "Male" describes masculinity. You are assuming that certain male qualities outweigh others in that defining process. Biological facts are rigid, but the way we describe them and interpret them are not, inherently.

    For example, the physical structure in the brain that determines gender - that could be male. It is also by definition not delusional - because it is accurately describing itself. So why isn't that person male if they have other female described traits? Your philosophy that determines what is most important is what does. And of course this is just a fun concept for you to debate against without having to deal with actual excruciating consequences - like those this debate actually affects.
    so what it means to be a man or woman is just a social construct.... but how we look at ethnicity isn't.....

    yeah. that makes sense.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    For example, the physical structure in the brain that determines gender - that could be male. It is also by definition not delusional - because it is accurately describing itself. So why isn't that person male if they have other female described traits? Your philosophy that determines what is most important is what does. And of course this is just a fun concept for you to debate against without having to deal with actual excruciating consequences - like those this debate actually affects.
    You do realize that the researchers can not explain people that are not transgender and yet have the so called brain chemistry of the opposite sex, right. Do you know why? I'm guessing because the conclusion is wrong. You?

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    You have no evidence to support your claims, and you are not a professional to diagnose delusions. Overstepping your bounds as usual.

    I can differentiate a penis and a vagina, I can differentiate someone who has predominantly testosterone/estrogen, etc. You just don't like that new information and research political correctness, and an increasing demand that blatant immorality, evil, and madness be normalized and accepted as proper has brought complexity to what was once deemed a simple subject. This claim is supported by your lack of evidence in the face of tons of evidence on the contrary the efforts of evil and insane people to force society to accept their lies and madness as if they haves any vestige validity.
    Fixed it for you.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What research are you referring to?



    How is recognizing that they are not women illogical? Is it because they look like women?
    There is research that shows that gender identity is manifested in a physical section of the brain while within the womb. This means that a person's brain can be developed to be described as female while maintaining typically male described body parts and such. You are asserting that you know what is most important in defining maleness and femaleness, which is philosophy not science.

    I'm on my phone so I can't search too well but this is probably useful: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...91302211000252

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Fixed it for you.

    May Laurence Tureaud have compassion on those who allow the likes of you to tell them what to think and believe.
    Political correctness is simply not a real thing, and I hold no stock in fearmongering bordering on conspiracy theories. Different debate for a different time I suppose though.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392] so what it means to be a man or woman is just a social construct.... but how we look at ethnicity isn't.....

    Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392] yeah. that makes sense.
    Didn't say being a man or woman was a social construct, nor did I imply it. The typical social ROLES associated with such are, however.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    There is research that shows that gender identity is manifested in a physical section of the brain while within the womb. This means that a person's brain can be developed to be described as female while maintaining typically male described body parts and such. You are asserting that you know what is most important in defining maleness and femaleness, which is philosophy not science.

    I'm on my phone so I can't search too well but this is probably useful: Sexual differentiation of the human brain: Relation to gender identity, sexual orientation and neuropsychiatric disorders
    No, I'm saying there is a huge gaping hole in that theory that they can't explain. How do you explain men with what they are describing as a female brain and yet aren't transgender? Well?

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